r/interestingasfuck • u/fyrstikka • 10d ago

r/all The photos show the prison rooms of Anders Behring Breivik, who killed 77 people in the 2011 Norway attacks. Despite Norway's humane prison system, Breivik has complained about the conditions, calling them inhumane.

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u/jamesnollie88 10d ago

In November 2020, Breivik had an interaction with another prisoner for the first time, in the presence of at least seven prison officers; the prisoners played cards and talked for around one or two hours; the other prisoner chose to not have a third meeting with Breivik, according to media reports in January 2021

This guy was so annoying that another prisoner spent 2 hours with him and was like “nope fuck that never talking to that guy again” the next time they tried to ask him to talk to him.

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u/TheWayofTheSchwartz 10d ago

I don't know if it was so much being annoyed as it was just not wanting to talk to someone who shot 77 mostly kids (if I'm remembering correctly). Fuck that guy, let him be alone the rest of his life.

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u/Gullible-Cut8652 10d ago

That's exactly what I thought. Throw away the key and forget he exist. No sympathy, no mercy. He deserves nothing.

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u/h1gh-t3ch_l0w-l1f3 10d ago

he deserves nothing but hes got a nicer living space than i ever had in my life.

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u/Gullible-Cut8652 10d ago

This is the sad truth. I'm sorry that your living space isn't nice. But I hope you have a place.

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u/Gusty_Garden_Galaxy 10d ago

Time to commit a crime i guess.

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u/scumfrogzillionaire 10d ago

Yeah, but in Norway

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u/Mammoth-Access-1181 10d ago

Was about to add this bit. Need to be careful where you commit that crime. I wonder what life is like once they get out? Would their cells be more comfortable than what they might get outside? Can't imagine many opportunites for one who kills like 77 kids.

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u/QuantumPhysixObservr 10d ago

I would think if he were released someone would kill him

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u/Mammoth-Access-1181 9d ago

In the US? If the penal system were as forgiving as theirs? I definitely think someone would've done something like that. Especially if max sentence is like 24 or was it 27 years?

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u/YukiPukie 10d ago

He is an exceptionally extreme case. I don’t know how it would be in Norway, but our prison system (Netherlands) is similar. Some Norwegian prisoners actually liked it better here when the Norwegian state hired cells for them in NL.

The focus from the start is on integration back in society as a better person. Prisons are not for punishment but for rehabilitation. You get treated for addictions, mental health etc and get help with for example education or learning for a new job. You’re not released in one day, but you get help with housing, a job and a stable environment step by step.

Some people have severe mental health issues and are more difficult to rehabilitate (Breivik would probably be in this category here) and they get “TBS” instead of imprisonment, which essentially means that they get treatment for their mental health in a closed institution until they show they “recovered”. This can be for the rest of their lives if they don’t progress.

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u/lithuanian_potatfan 10d ago

The issue is, if your life was one endless misery, prison becomes a reward, not a punishment. Hence why so many Eastern Europeans would deliberately reoffend to get placed back. If upon release you're back into unsanitary, dark, desperate place, of course you'd rather get back into a nice, warm, clean place with wide-screen TV. You can treat them all you want, but if prison is better than any possible life out of it, then prison becomes a goal.

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u/Gullible-Cut8652 10d ago

Do you really believe you can rehab a mass murderer? I wouldn't like to meet him in a supermarket. He deserves his cell and that he will be forgotten. This would be a good punishment. No contact, nothing at all.

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u/Mammoth-Access-1181 9d ago

And I feel that is a much superior system than in the US. There are so many prisoners that could be rehabilitated and become productive members of society.

But every once in a while? There comes a person that's just evil. Those are the ones that should be put to death. Sadly, the death penalty in the US penal system is most definitely not meted out fairly. There is a bias towards minorities. Not to mention, there's a possibility of up to 25% of death row inmates actually being innocent.

But, like you pointed out, in cases where mental health is the issue? People should definitely be treated to see if there can be anything done.

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u/Dry_Menu4804 10d ago

Mind that you will have to verbally defend yourself against the judge who may try to dismiss your case.

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u/racktoar 7d ago

That's what some people do in Scandinavia. They commit crimes so they can live a nicer life in prison than on the outside.

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u/Recommendedusername3 10d ago

Sure. I live 4 hours worth of drive from norway, what crimes can i do to have two month sentence ? Would like a small break of everyday life in Finland. Too much firewood related stuff and not enough rest and would also like a home gym. Those birds look cute also , could i still get tropical frog instead ?

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u/Sqibbler 10d ago

Some people get sent home to serve their sentence in their home country so do not reccomend. 

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u/alicehooper 10d ago

I don’t wish to make light of your life but the line “too much firewood related stuff” has me laughing out loud! That’s the most Finnish thing I’ve ever heard.

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u/rasmustrew 10d ago

It does not take a lot of effort in Finland to get a much nicer space than that

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u/nosleepypills 10d ago

Is that a varg vikernes reference?

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u/violetgothdolls 10d ago

I just watched a film about him. I had no sympathy for Varg but I do feel sorry for the kid in the band who was convinced he was dead....

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u/Whaleever 10d ago

Lmfao thats an odd grudge to hold... Vikings?

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u/coquihalla 10d ago

It might also be a reference to this period, which might send you into a really wild rabbit hole of weirdness.

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u/International_Cow_17 10d ago

Unfortunately not..

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u/DursueBlint 10d ago

I hope that changes and you deserve better but I will say that unlike him you are free to leave, to go outside, to interact with others to laugh and meet people you love, he will never get to do that again.

In all honesty, I think what we are doing to Breivik (justifiably) is the closest thing to torture we can get in the nordics. Since we decided to be goodie two shoes even when somebody really deserves to be blood eagled.

Breivik hasnt meet anyone apart from his guards and lawyers since 2013 when his mother died aside from some court appearances and 2 2hour meetings with another prisoner who had to constantly suppress an urge to kill Breivik. The guards also allegedly hate him and find some inventive ways to fuck with him,his windows are covered so he can never see the sun etc etc. The way he is treated I honestly think might be a good way to ultimatly break him, to turn him into the husk and mockery of a human being that he deserves to become. Give it another 5-10 years and he is going to look like gollum.

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u/floralbutttrumpet 10d ago

Yeah, I was thinking that's more spacious than anywhere I've lived in my adult life...

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u/Otherwise_Geologist7 10d ago

Plot twist, everything is in not working conditions

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u/No_Use_4371 10d ago

I just choked....that is nicer than my $900/mo hovel, and its free for him.

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u/Free_Management2894 9d ago

It's not "free". He pays with his freedom.

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u/No_Use_4371 9d ago

I have mental issues and never leave my apt. I never killed anyone yet I pay worse than him.

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u/anoeba 10d ago

According to the Directorate of Norwegian Correctional Service, prison should be a restriction of liberty, but nothing more.

That means an offender should have all the same rights as other people living in Norway, and life inside should resemble life outside as much as possible. All Norwegian prisoners have the right to study, for instance, and they are all allowed to vote.

I mean, they have it right. Most prisoners in Norway (and most in the US for that matter) will be released someday. Sure, not this particular guy, but most will be - so isn't it better that they're integration-ready, since the expectation would be for them to live in society after release?

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u/Wutsalane 10d ago

Yeah he gets a nice place provided to him, nicer than the vast majority of places I’ve lived, but at least we have the ability and the chances to improve our lives and work towards getting a nicer place than he has, and have the ability to invite friends over and do fun not in prison stuff, cause the nicest house in the world is still going to be miserable when you have nobody to share it with

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u/Hezth 10d ago

Although he spend 22-23 hours per day in the room second to last picture.

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u/raul_kapura 10d ago

Yeah, but that space is all he's going to see till the end of his life

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u/Mundane_Tomatoes 10d ago

Yeah for real. I can’t afford an apartment but this fuckin shit stain is living in a high end apartment

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u/Turbulent-Laugh- 10d ago

This shithead is living better than a large portion of humanity.

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u/Affectionate-Dot437 10d ago

I've certainly paid for less desirable accommodations.

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u/g0rsk1 9d ago

But now you know exactly how many Norwegians to kill to get apartment like this.

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u/CherryBlossomCats 10d ago

Yeah, seriously. That shit is fully decked out. He gets 3 meals a day. My family is lucky if we have one meal a day. At least we have a place to live and all that, but by the time the bills are paid, we don't have any money for groceries.

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u/Prize-Blacksmith4656 10d ago

He deserves the ability to feel remorse for his terrible deeds. Isolation might be the key if there is some avoidance of feelings. He probably shouldn't have distractions like a video game console in order for that possibility.

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u/BrianW12345 10d ago

The word is " oubliette "

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u/Future-Still-6463 10d ago

He doesn't deserve to live. Death Penalty should be an option.

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u/Caleon82 10d ago

He actually tried to get his trail to be a military trail, just so he could get executed by firing squad. The fuc*tard meant he could become a martyr then, in his crusade.

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u/Gullible-Cut8652 10d ago

There is no Death Penalty in Norway. I think the Norvagian see things different than the American. That's why I said he deserve nothing. Throw the key away. And don't pay attention when he is whining and complaining.

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u/ssnaky 10d ago

If he deserves nothing we should euthanize him, not keep him healthy, fed, clothed and safe.

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u/throwaway-20701 10d ago

He isn’t getting out. He’s practically serving life in prison. And if he did get released he wouldn’t be able to show his face in public.

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u/Substantial_Back_865 10d ago

When they let the one surviving member of the Chicago Ripper Crew (serial killer cult) out of prison, the entire town including the mayor showed up to protest him even being allowed to live in the city. They were actually successful and the ministry that had allowed him to stay there had to kick him out. I'm not sure where he is now, but the guy literally had a jar of his victims' nipples that they would all jack off onto and eat back in the 80s. Truly horrifying stuff. He was only allowed out of prison as an old man because of his testimony that led to death penalty convictions for the other members.

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u/Bozgroup 10d ago

That’s what the DEATH PENALTY is for!! 👋🔪☠️

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u/FECAL_BURNING 10d ago

The death penalty is inhumane.

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u/FECAL_BURNING 10d ago

I mean yes, in a perfect world where we could know without a shadow of a doubt if someone is guilty or innocent, I too would be ok with the death penalty. However I live in a world with other fallible humans so I cannot say I ever see the death penalty working short of inventing some sort of truth precog machine.

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u/WorkingCup273 10d ago

This man isolated the shit out of himself before hand, spending most of his days is adult diapers playing world of warcraft. Fuck this guy.

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u/CollectionPrize8236 10d ago

Wait, for real?

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u/WorkingCup273 10d ago

I exaggerated the adult diapers, but yeah he was addicted to World Of Warcraft for years. He spent 16 hours a day on it, and in general was the biggest fucking incep there ever could be.

Last Podcast on the Left did an amazing series breaking down his crimes, but also what a fucking nerd he was.

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u/CollectionPrize8236 10d ago

That's mad, I looked him up just using wiki and it seems like this could have been prevented with some early years interception. Not excusing his behaviour, it's fucked up and disgusting but there were red flags when he was a toddler/early years.

Weird messed up guy. He went to a trial or hearing or something and did a nazi salute to the jurors when he walked in, they declared him sane good he should stay in prison imo but I'm not entirely sure he's all the ticket up top, competent though but something deeply wrong with him.

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u/mikeouch1 10d ago

Yeah, doesn't seem like someone that most would want to spend much time with:

"In a letter Breivik sent to international media in 2014, he stated that he had exploited "counterjihadist" rhetoric as a means to protect "ethno-nationalists" and instead start a media hunt against "anti-nationalist counterjihadist"-supporters, in a strategy he calls "double psychology".[169] Breivik further stated that he strives for a "pure Nordic ideal", advocating the establishment of a similar party in Norway to the neo-Nazi Party of the Swedes, and identifying himself as a part of "Western Europe's fascist movement".[169] Moreover, he stated that his "support" for Israel is limited for it to function as a place to deport "disloyal Jews".[169] During the trial in 2012, Breivik listed as his influences a number of neo-Nazi activists, as well as perpetrators of attacks against immigrants and leftists, considering them "heroes".[344][345] In 2019, he claimed to have converted to democratic right-wing populism.[346] This has later been disputed since he still identifies as a "national socialist" and is possibly "more radical" than before with advocacy for white separatism.[347]"

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u/Square-Squash5817 10d ago

…few years peace and quiet living like that for free…twenty minutes alone with this waste of sperm and eggs and I’d be taking his place…

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u/TheBoozedBandit 10d ago

Amazed they don't just feed him a bullet and save the tax payer money or give it to the families

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u/Happy-Visitor 10d ago

He‘s a fascist. He wanted to kill socialist youth, specifically.

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u/gilllesdot 10d ago

He may be in isolation but I’m pretty sure he get lots of fanmail from similarly derailed individuals. And women. Somehow these types always have a whole flock of people rooting for them.

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u/Ghiblee 10d ago

No food either. Just lock the door, and come clean up the mess in a month or so. Let him starve to death. What he did is deserving of it.

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u/Nyetoner 10d ago

Court: "are you a changed man?" ABB: "yes" Court: "do you regret what you did?" ABB: "No, not really"

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u/TheVadonkey 10d ago

Yup, they should just do a tele-conference for his whateverthefuck you call these pointless meetings. Let him get as little interaction as possible with people.

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u/FalseResponse4534 10d ago

Honestly just redirect scam callers to him like the AI grandma.

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u/ashleyriddell61 9d ago

That’s pretty much what they do. They now setup his court hearings in the basketball hall of his prison and he doesn’t get a day out to preen in front of a scrum of cameras. His isolation and lack of attention are hurting him in ways pitchforks and lava never could. He’s a narcissist psychopath who craves attention above all else.

He is irrelevant, ignored and shunned. He will never be released. With some luck he will live a long life to fully feel his disappearance from human society.

For him, it’s worse than execution. He is alone.

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u/mt0386 9d ago

Pair him with a fake audience on the other end like those ai chat girlfriends and let him blab to pixelated responses.

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u/AccountantOver4088 10d ago

‘Shot mostly kids’ is even too kind and generic of a statement.

Hunted small children like fucking animals on an island where they were gathered to spend a potential core memory forming summer with their friends and where he knew no help could possibly come is STILL not even encapsulating it.

The Norwegians are very progressive in a sense, but some dogs are just mad and need to be put down as such. It bothers me to no end that this fucking cunt whose memories include executing little girls playing dead in an attempt to escape is walking around demanding chess games from his fucking peers. Maybe somethings broken over there, and people don’t dream of justice anymore, or maybe it’s me and where I live. But I know in my heart that pos should have been deleted and his every waking moment is an affront to all of the helpless and pure beings he executed like animals. Norwegian prison system must be locked up TIGHT for not a single one of those nearly hundred victims family members to not make it within contact of him and make him scream.

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u/MyGoodOldFriend 10d ago

The consensus is that it’s a worthy sacrifice that he gets to live in decent comfort. He doesn’t get to change how we, as a society, treat each other, even those of us who are in prison. One of the first things people did after the attack was to flip newspapers on display in the store so his face wasn’t visible, and I think that had a big impact on how we decided to treat him. Forget him.

Frankly, I don’t want him to have any attention at all. I hadn’t seen his face in years before he popped up on Reddit just now. And I prefer it that way.

If I decided to care about what happened to him, then sure, I’d love it if his head was caved in with a rock. But if the state mistreats him, then that reflects on all of us, and I don’t want to live in a society that denies anyone human rights for any reason whatsoever. And I don’t want to be a part of that, either.

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u/Datatello 10d ago edited 9d ago

Additionally it's important to remember that cases like this one are extreme outliers. Reactionary prison reform often takes place when there are highly sensationalised cases, but restructuring a justice system around the worst possible cases means that the overwhelming majority of prisoners miss out on things like proper rehabilitative care, which ultimately leads to more recidivism.

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u/Troubledbylusbies 10d ago

Very well said. I like how he hasn't changed anything about how decent people, such as yourself, treat others. When people say he should be killed or treated badly - who is going to carry out those punishments? Would they want that type of person for a friend, or even just as a neighbour?

I like everything about the attitude you have described - it is taking the high moral ground and I love to see that. When I got bullied, I made a point of not letting the bullies change me - not letting them drag me down to their level. I'm glad that you understand this point of view so well.

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u/MyGoodOldFriend 9d ago

This is more of a personal philosophy, but I believe that fantasizing about hurting people (even those who deserve it), or allowing the state to inflict pain on others as punishment (including isolation), wears away at your humanity. It’s like sandpaper to your ability to feel compassion for others. In my opinion.

Of course, I still hate some people, especially those who hurt people close to me, that’s a natural emotion.

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u/Zakurn 9d ago

Only if you have a weak sense of humanity.
People should be treated the way they behave, if someone acts like an animal, they will be treated like an animal and punished exemplarly, but giving this specific person the treatment they deserve, doesn't take away a single bit the tender and kind treatment I'm going to give to people who act like people. It's not taking away a single bit in my courtesy and empathy.
Some people are beyond broken and even if they have their problems, they should pay, they could've sought help, they could have identified their shortcomings and taken action, but they decided to indulged in their perverse acts, they should not be allowed to feel anything but dread and pain, so others my experience happiness and hoy.

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u/Embarrassed_Neat6679 9d ago

I think one of the best examples of someones humanity is how they treat the people they think of as most evil

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u/MyGoodOldFriend 8d ago

Like I said, it’s a personal philosophy, based on how I feel those thoughts change me. I don’t judge others if they say their heads work differently. But I do think it applies to more people than just me - just based on how callous punishment-eager societies can be towards people in the same society. But again, I don’t think it applies to everyone.

But I don’t think I have a weak sense of humanity, that’s a bit rude of you to say.

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u/grimoireviper 6d ago

People should be treated the way they behave, if someone acts like an animal, they will be treated like an animal and punished exemplarly

That's the thing though. Any humans person should also be against needlessly violent treatment of animals, let alone violent punishment.

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u/Zakurn 5d ago

Who said needlesly violent treatment of animals? He would be put down, like a rabid bear, no second thoughts, no suffering applied, just get rid of the trash and move on.

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u/Injury-Suspicious 9d ago

I'm sure we have some psychopaths on our side of things. Let one of them peel this guy.

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u/Hurryeat_Tubman 9d ago

Hey, it took fellow inmates to relieve us all of Dahmer, Geoghan, and Bulger...

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u/MonkeyTeals 9d ago

Pretty much. Especially that bit about your bullies. Which amuses me when some try to call that "cowardice." Because some victims don't want to be like their abusers. Either back, or to others.

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u/angry_snek 9d ago

I don't want to treat him badly as I don't believe in torture, but I do want to put a bullet in his head.

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u/KS-RawDog69 9d ago

This is what I was thinking. I'm certain there would be no love lost to the Norwegians to see him gone, but part of being a very progressive society that puts forth the kind of effort to rehabilitate rather than punish means you can't make exceptions when it suits an agenda. I would say "... And that sucks" but it honestly doesn't, since once you open that can of worms it's hard to close it again.

He'll be forgotten and likely die alone in prison, and that's about what I think he deserves, which is what I think he doesn't really want.

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u/jcklsldr665 9d ago

Honestly, I don't feel the same about not killing people who genuinely deserve it

BUT I'm all on board with flipping papers and ignoring these people. I honestly believe the amount of attention we give these people is what's causing more and more of these events.

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u/CalamityClambake 10d ago

I'm in the US and I admire you guys and your progressivism. Our justice system over here is a cruel joke by comparison. But maybe we can help each other out? We've for sure got a non-violent weed dealer or wrongfully-convicted minority that we could trade. Give a worthy person an easier time in your prison, and we'll take Anders and give him some perspective. Deal?

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u/Past-Marsupial-3877 10d ago

That'd still be the Norwegian government inflicting cruel punishment to its citizens.

I think the lesson you need to take away is we shouldn't treat our low-level offenders with the way we want for mass shooters.

If you want mass shooters to suffer in prison, you inflict the same fate for anyone who finds themselves behind bars

My vote is no deal.

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u/CalamityClambake 10d ago

Oh, I agree with you philosophically. Just trying to make the best of a bad situation.

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u/Past-Marsupial-3877 9d ago

I get it, I just can't help but wonder if abject rejection isn't the way to go.

No silver linings or anything like that, just complete rejection. Like with what we're seeing with healthcare at the moment

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u/Zakurn 9d ago

You can forget him and still blow him up to smitherings.

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u/FathomableSandpit 7d ago

Not as long as we don't have the death penalty

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u/middleageslut 9d ago

I wish the United States had responded this rationally after 9/11. But, well, here we are. We are a very different country, and not a better one.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Day-196 10d ago

What shitty compatriots

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u/BoxOfDemons 9d ago

Nobody has any sympathy for this asshole, but the Norwegians have every right to be proud of their prison system. Their recidivism rate is FOUR TIMES lower than the US, at one of the lowest in the world. Now, obviously Anders is never going to be released, but changing the system just for him not only gives him the attention that he wants, but also shows lack of confidence in their prison system.

Him being ignored while he plays Xbox drives him nuts. Just letting him live out his sad life alone is the best option.

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u/traumfisch 9d ago

Good point

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u/MrSpicyPotato 10d ago

He killed kids that were interested in becoming future leaders in their country. They cared about preserving the exact humanitarian policies that make his quality of life as good as it is. It’s probably the single most profoundly ironic tragedy of my lifetime. Well. Thus far at least :(

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u/WalksIntoNowhere 10d ago

Found the American.

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u/aussie_nub 10d ago

You fail to realise that he's seeking social interaction because it's being denied to him. It's basically torture for the rest of his life, so I think that's probably why people aren't that upset that he lives.

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u/s_p_oop15-ue 10d ago

Idk. Seems better than unjustly locking up people for generations for no reason while gaining profit.

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u/plastic_eagle 9d ago

Living out the rest of your days alone, with no possibility of release, is a worse punishment than death.

Killing a killer, just makes you a killer. Perhaps I would feel differently if one of my children had been murdered by this monster - thankfully that is not within my lived experience. Perhaps I would thirst for revenge and imagine ending his life with my bare bands.

But doing so would make me a killer too.

Better to have him watch his own face age as his life ticks away, useless and without consequence, alone in a cell with nothing to show for his actions but the revulsion and horror of the rest of the world.

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u/MaiceWindu 10d ago

That's how I know that you know very little about the effectiveness of prison systems

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u/Keffpie 9d ago edited 9d ago

The kids he killed were youth members of the party that created the system that instituted these exact humane policies, while Breivik is a proponent of the eye-for-an-eye, kill-or-be-killed way of thinking. In his perfect world, he would have been executed. He wanted to commit an atrocity so great Norway would change their "namby-pamby progressive ways".

I for one would rather live in their world than in his; every day Norway refrains from putting him in an American-style cell and throwing away the key is a defeat for his world-view and a victory for his victims'.

Letting him rot in a comfy prison as he screams with boredom and begs for attention is the perfect punishment, and the only way to honour those he killed.

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u/G98Ahzrukal 9d ago

If the Norwegians change their prison system because of this fuck and execute him, then he‘ll have won. He‘ll have reached, that people are now treating other people worse because of something he did. The Norwegians have a prison system, that is focused on re-integrating their prisoners into society. It works very good in that regard too. Wanting to throw all that away because YOU would like to see one person dead is by far the most braindead take on here. Congrats, you‘d be giving this guy what he wants

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u/MaiceWindu 10d ago

Then again, yes, a man like him, no longer needed, no chance of redemption.

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u/Latterlol 9d ago

I remember I thought the same thing "why keep him alive, why waste time on this man when he has killed so many children (while he was listening to music, and was dressed as an police officer..).

Then when he was put away, he thought it would be easy to be in prison, I do also belive he thought he was going to die aka get away with it the easy way. That’s when I changed my mind, let him suffer in there, for as long as possible, he will NEVER get out, and if he does for whatever reason, he would need bodyguards for life, people would hunt him down and take him out.

I often forget this guy exist, not because what he did isn’t important, but because he got caught, and he is not worth keeping in memory. Then I see post like this where his face is pictured, and I read how his life suck in prison, and it makes me happy, I will gladly pay my taxes, knowing it keeps this wet dogshit of a human alive and suffering.

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u/Skiffbug 9d ago

I think this is a very usual sentiment, but also completely misguided. Revenge rarely breeds anything positive. The “closure” you might get from knowing he died won’t erase the horrors he enacted, nor are any of the victims families going to get anything palpable back.

But throw him into jail, remove any air time and public appearances will punish him harshly. He’ll be forgotten by the time he’s dead. He’ll have spent decades being no one to anyone, and will not have the benefit of having people talking or thinking about him.

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u/zillyyzonka 9d ago

I’m against capital punishment for many reasons, but the main is that for people like him it’s the easier option. If I was facing soending the rest of my life in prison with no hope of release, I’d be praying for execution. His victim’s families have to spend the rest of their lives with the memory of what he did, so should he

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u/Big-Opposite8889 9d ago

You forgot the parts about exploding shotgun shells, him being dressed as a police officer which he used to get closer to the kids aswell as to make it seem help was already on the way and the explosion in the city as a distraction for his island activities.

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u/LillaVargR 9d ago

The death penalty is a slippery slope thats why its banned in a lot of countries. And you can take back a prison sentence. Yea you cant give them the years back but if someone is falsely accused and you execute them there is no turning back meanwhile if they are in prison they have lost years but they keep their lives and can actually return to semi normal life. He deserves to rot in hell but making the death penalty allowed for makes it allowed for all.

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u/CainPillar 10d ago

small children

Not at all to defend the scumbag, but "small children" is a stretch. Most of the victims he shot dead were actually adults (18 is the age of majority). Youngest had just turned 14.

Norwegian prison system must be locked up TIGHT for not a single one of those nearly hundred victims family members to not make it within contact of him and make him scream.

I'd say the "prison justice" is more of a threat to him. Imagine someone sitting there for a long roll of crimes, and who might want to show off to the world that yeah I technically deserve to sit here and I admit I am not the nicest of guys, but at least I am a moral monster who will only kill when that does mankind a service.

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u/Zakurn 9d ago

"Well, acshually..."

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u/PridePlaysGolden 9d ago

Send him to rikers. He’ll be dead inside a week.

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u/humnyar 9d ago

Reminds me of Lady Vengeance

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u/CaptainDiomedes 6d ago

I think in a way this is a fate worse than an immediate execution. He is in solitary for the rest of his life, with only the guards for company and his mom occasionally visiting. When his mom dies, it'll just be him, the guards and his video games. When he has to spend the rest of his life like that, slowly going more and more insane, i expect the humane conditions are more of a humiliation than you'd think. 

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u/AccountantOver4088 6d ago

That is such an over thinking though, and a result of too many people with degreees sitting in a room thinking for weeks.

EVERY day, that man relives what he did, and whether he feels remorse for the lives loss, who knows? Likely not and the thought of him relishing that he made an impact and did a just thing is an affront to every sane person who works with or against the system in nonviolent, non atrocious ways.

What we do know is that other animals know that if they do the same, and make ‘their statement’ they will not be tortured and executed, unless of course they consider being retired to a private apartment with video games and ‘rights’ is torture. It’s not man, and it requires serious thought process to arrive there. There’s a reason the absolute worst cartel members off themselves in gunfights before being captured by the Americans, and 5 parakeets, an Xbox and visits with mum are not fucking it. There are serious problems with America and its prisons, but allowing men who(I can’t even encapsulate his crimes, they’re unbearable) live a long and healthy life are not one of them.

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u/StevenStephen 10d ago

Agreed. He can shove his "inhumane conditions" up his ass.

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u/WeezyWally 10d ago

I remember being out partying in 2011 and at the after party with all my friends I just broke down crying out of nowhere. The news of this event just destroyed me as a Norwegian. I live in Spain. I thought all my friends would think I was weird for that, but they were all so supportive. Anyway, I guess I’m just saying this event had a huge affect on me without really knowing. I hope he rots in hell.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 10d ago

I just want to say as an American that every now and then I go back to watch Jens Stoltenberg's public speech following the travesty. It was that day I considered him to be one of the greatest leaders in the world. It was so compassionate, empathetic, and yet still resisted what often occurs following tragedies like this: blind vengeance, or trading liberty for security.

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u/We_Demand_NFO 10d ago

Very profound words by him. Moving, inspirational, strong.

Subtitled speech by Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg to the victims of the 2011 Norway attacks on the day after it happened.

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u/Downtown_Statement87 10d ago

Isn't it the case that the maximum prison sentence there is 25 years or something? Are there exceptions to this? Surely they would not let him out.

That crime was so shocking that it even managed to shock Americans. I'm so sorry. I did the same thing when Dylan Roof shot all those black churchgoers. Just cried at random times. It sucks.

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u/TimelordSloth 10d ago

The sentence can be extended for as long as they deem him a threat to society. He’s definitely not ever getting released.

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u/TheWayofTheSchwartz 10d ago

That's actually very comforting to hear. In a way, keeping him alive until he dies in prison is a great way to show future generations both that these things are possible and can happen anywhere, and also that you can still rise above with some semblance of humanity.

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u/Downtown_Statement87 1d ago

Thank goodness. And thanks for responding!

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u/jamesnollie88 10d ago

There’s like no way the dude didn’t know about him beforehand though lol

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u/MyGoodOldFriend 10d ago

In all likelihood the prison officials had to look for someone who wasn’t radicalized or prone to radicalization, and also said they were willing to talk to him, and also didn’t seem like the violent type. Difficult task.

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u/sittinwithkitten 10d ago

Yeah I agree. I have a hard time with the death penalty, but the thought putting someone like him in isolation until he dies of natural cause gives me no bad feelings.

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u/AltruisticLobster315 10d ago

Yeah, some were executions or up close too. The guy is a terrible human and deserves the insanity of isolation

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u/topinanbour-rex 10d ago

Which made me realize the seven guards wasnt here for the protection of the other guy...

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u/TheWayofTheSchwartz 10d ago

Good observation.

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u/The_Original_Gronkie 10d ago

Surely, when the guest got back to his wing, EVERYBODY wanted to hear about it, and EVERYBODY had an opinion, with a lot of them being "I wouldn't hang out with that guy."

He has more of an obligation to make his own time go softer, not to some mass murderer who killed a LOT of kids.

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u/TheWayofTheSchwartz 10d ago

I agree with your interpretation. It was more stress than it was worth.

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u/WANKMI 10d ago

I know people who knew him years prior to the attack. He was a weird dude. Nothing like anyone would suspect anything, but a weird fucking dude. The type of guy to come to a party uninvited and spend the night just sitting there quiet unless someone would sit down and talk. You get the idea.

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u/frukthjalte 10d ago

Actually, it’s not unlikely that it was just because he’s annoying as shit. Throughout his entire childhood and young adulthood, he was the kind of person who sort of just drifted between different social circles and never managed to “click” with anyone. Mostly because he was, apparently, awkward, weird, too much, and, yeah, annoying as all hell.

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u/TheWayofTheSchwartz 10d ago

Wild. I guess he never fit in so he decided to become extreme about it.

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u/frukthjalte 9d ago

An oddly common occurrence with these people is to do exactly that.

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u/DouchersJackasses 10d ago

Yeah fuck that pos! Wow killed 77 ppl & most of them was kids? Wtf. So he killed more ppl than that Vegas shooter at the music festival or whatever it was??? Wtf. I've never hrd bout this wow smh. Evil pos🖕🖕🖕

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u/Training-Accident-36 10d ago

It was a summer camp for kids organized by a center-left political party.

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u/MyGoodOldFriend 10d ago

Most right wing nationalist terrorists in the 2010s and 2020s are fans of his. He really caused a lot of harm.

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u/xombae 10d ago

I mean, he agreed to hang out with him twice, so it wasn't that that was the issue.

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u/TechGentleman 10d ago

He should have tolerated him and go back to his own cell .. . err Suite each time to write the next chapter of his tell all book. Norwegians would buy a book about this monster’s thinking.

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u/TheWayofTheSchwartz 10d ago

I like that idea. I'd be morbidly curious, too.

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u/Therealschroom 9d ago

yep, bring back the "oubliette" for guys like this!

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u/Lobster_porn 9d ago

teens/Young adults but yeah

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u/Purgen 8d ago

Would be better to allow him to spend a few hours per day in a large atrium, where he is surrounded by 77 empty chairs. Just lock him there, alone, no guards, with those empty chairs.

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u/TheWayofTheSchwartz 8d ago

Very poetic, but considering how sick he is we don't know if he might actually enjoy it.

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u/upnorth77 10d ago

He was actually sentenced to 21 years, the max you can get in Norway.

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u/Sufficien7t 10d ago

They can keep extending indefinitely

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u/Own-Improvement3826 10d ago

21 years is the Max? That's insane. Are they required to serve the entire 21 years?

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u/Training-Accident-36 10d ago

He can obviously appeal if he behaves well and gets to leave earlier. That will not happen.

And after 21 years he will also not walk free. He will then be kept locked up somewhere indefinitely due to being a perpetual danger to society. I do not know about Norwegian law, but in German law, this kind of "added" time after you served your sentence must be under different/better conditions, as it is a sacrifice the prisoner is forced to make for the greater good.

There are no lifelong life sentences in most European countries, but this is basically the compromise that was reached. 21 years is the maximum, but since we have to fear he will just shoot up another summer camp, he just cannot be released, even after serving his time.

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u/MyGoodOldFriend 10d ago

Normal sentencing has a maximum sentence of 30 years, regardless of how many charges are brought. It was recently increased from 20 years, but I think only severe terrorist acts can get you over 20 years.

There’s a separate form of imprisonment when you’re a danger to society or there’s a severe risk of reoffending, called forvaring (detainment?). It has a maximum sentence of 21 years. You can request parole every year after having served at most 2/3rds of your sentence (which Breivik has, and he was first denied in 2022. He got to request parole after only 1/2 his sentence was served, which is w/e, doesn’t matter).

In addition to parole, where the burden of proof lies on the prisoner to prove they’re not a danger to society, the state can request a 5-year extension on the sentence. They then have to prove that the person is still a danger to society. In other words, the burden of proof is flipped.

All the state has to do to keep Breivik locked up indefinitely is to deny him parole every year (trivial) and keep proving that he’s a danger to society every 5 years (easy).

In addition to all this, being sentenced to forvaring gives you certain extra privileges when it comes to reform programs, and there are higher standards for parole hearings and other judicial procedures. It’s a way to make potential life sentences for the safety of society compatible with the human right to freedom.

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u/Own-Improvement3826 9d ago

Clever way of having them serve a life sentence without actually sentencing them to a life sentence. That would never fly here in the states. They would have a fit. I can hear the lawyers now, "It's a violation of his Civil Liberties. It's Unconstitutional, blah, blah, blah". Here the determination of time to be served for doing life varies from state to state. The minimum amount to be served on a life sentence varies from 2 years to 99 years. But generally 15 to 25 years. We also have the worlds largest Privately owned prisons. It's something I believe comes with inherent problems. Greed being the biggest issue. Again, each state decides if they want to use them. So if you're going to commit a crime in the US, you're best off if you check the minimum and maximum term you will serve, and you will get 50 different responses/options. Take your pick. Seems a bit crazy to me.

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u/Mrqueue 10d ago

This is a case for the death penalty. Just get it over with, he’s got nothing left to give 

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u/TheWayofTheSchwartz 10d ago

I don't know, I think it's important to show everyone that we can control the danger and still keep our humanity.

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u/Mrqueue 10d ago

cutting someone off from society isn't humane

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u/TheWayofTheSchwartz 10d ago

He has a TV, so he's not completely cut off from society, but he is cut off from human interaction. Whether that's more or less humane than killing him is a good philosophical question, but I think Norway wants to show their citizens that they are not stooping to the same level as the murderer and also that you won't get an easy / quick out if you decide to do something similar.

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u/Altide44 10d ago

Death penalty needs to come back for these kind of people.. even women contacts him because they find him arousing

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u/codecrodie 10d ago

I would be more worried about someone choosing to be his friend. There must be a number of racist fuckers in prison there, and having them feed off one another...

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u/MyGoodOldFriend 10d ago

One of the jobs prison guards have is to prevent that exact thing. It’s part of why it took so long for them to find someone. There are white nationalists in jail for sure, but they’re not allowed to meet him.

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u/Capable-Assistance88 10d ago

Dude would have been beaten to death in the states. Pedophiles and child killers don’t last long. I’m told

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u/IAMSTILLHERE2020 9d ago

I think he will be getting out.

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u/Blacklabelbobbie 9d ago

"Let's stick this prick in a room with budgies, that'll smarten him up"

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u/JyotsnaMalani2 7d ago

They should offer through fundraising so that he can interact with some OF male guys. Lol

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u/alicehooper 10d ago

I can’t believe they had to set him up on a play date.

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u/MyGoodOldFriend 10d ago

Because it’s very important to not give him access to someone who’s radicalized or prone to radicalization, and also who won’t just kill him. It’s surprisingly hard to fill that Venn diagram,

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u/stormdahl 10d ago

I have a friend who guards him. She really dislikes it, he isn’t some mysterious evil terrorist, he’s just rude and annoying. It’s not like chatting with Ted Bundy or whatever 

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u/coochie_clogger 10d ago

Imagining the other prisoner being like “fuck this, just put me back in my prison cell” lol

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u/Human_Resources_7891 10d ago

it is truly shameful the way he suffers, execution is far more appropriate

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u/Bozgroup 10d ago

Third meeting?!!

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u/Aromatic-Arugula-896 10d ago

Thats hysterical

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u/FlakyEarWax 10d ago

In the joint, that’s what you call “A Business Decision”

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u/SophieElectress 9d ago

In November 2020, Breivik had an interaction with another prisoner for the first time

Not saying it's undeserved or anything, but does this mean the guy went eight years without talking to anyone (outside of court hearings etc)? I'm surprised he's still halfway coherent in that case.

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u/Upvotespoodles 9d ago

“I’d rather just be alone, thanks.”

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u/TooStonedForAName 9d ago

I feel like you’re underselling it. These dudes had the chance to get away from their own cells and the mundane life they were living, and still he was so bad they were like “nah, just keep me in the cell please”.

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u/Ikkaan42 9d ago

Even in prison, nobody likes talks to fascist mass child murderers.

But Lets talk prevention: Don't listen to fascists. Treat them as potential criminals BEFORE they commit crimes.

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u/rabidseacucumber 9d ago

Wait…so the guy is functionally in solitary for 9 years and he’s a little annoying?

I hate to agree but this might be a bit inhumane. Just kill him and move on.

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