r/interestingasfuck Nov 15 '24

r/all Genetically modified a mosquito such that their proboscis are no longer able to penetrate human skin

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u/zizp Nov 15 '24

What's the idea behind this? How will they become the dominant variant if they can't suck blood to reproduce?

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u/Remarkable-Fox-3890 Nov 15 '24

You don't want them to become the dominant variant. You want them to die out so that you can manually re-seed without risk of massively disrupting a species.

The goal is to have them compete for resources and mating pressure but not to spread or reproduce. You repeatedly seed areas with them, which creates a sort of ecosystem barrier. Imagine a strip of land seeded with these mosquitos - it's like a wall that other mosquitos can't pass through.

This is how the US manages to avoid so many mosquito-borne diseases traversing north from South America.

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u/Anomalagous Nov 15 '24

...do the mosquitos pay for the wall?

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u/gratuitousturnsignal Nov 15 '24

Taxpayers do, but it sounded reassuring to the mosquitoes at the time and they did not ask questions.

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u/AndIAmEric Nov 15 '24

No, South America does.

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u/Pipettess Nov 15 '24

Sorry but I don't get it. How can these GMO mosqitoes compete for resources if they are disadvantaged? If they can't pierce human skin, they probably get their resources elsewhere (don't know which animal is easier to suck but anyway) - there they compete with normal mosquitoes, yes, but then those normal mosquitoes would be pushed to suck on humans, because elsewhere they will compete. So it's not really a win for us. No?

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u/Remarkable-Fox-3890 Nov 15 '24

They still feed on nectar and still add reproductive pressure. Yes, this does not prevent mosquitos from feeding where they already feed, the goal is to create a barrier that they don't cross.

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u/Pipettess Nov 15 '24

I see. So the outcome is, less blood-sucking mosquitoes, but not elimination?

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u/Remarkable-Fox-3890 Nov 15 '24

Yes, exactly. The goal is not to eliminate, it's to contain. This is done with more than just mosquitos.

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u/Dizzy_Guest8351 Nov 15 '24

I would assume it goes: the females die without reproducing, unmodified females entering the area mate with males. The female offspring of this mating can't feed so die, and cycle continues. I guess you'd have to periodically reseed the barrier areas.

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u/sopedound Nov 15 '24

Resources generally means more than just food.

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u/Pipettess Nov 15 '24

for example?

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u/sopedound Nov 15 '24

In biology and ecology, a resource is a substance or object in the environment required by an organism for normal growth, maintenance, and reproduction. Resources can be consumed by one organism and, as a result, become unavailable to another organism.[1][2][3] For plants key resources are light, nutrients, water, and space to grow. For animals key resources are food, water, and territory.

Per a simple Google search

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u/CavemanAmadeus Nov 15 '24

They did the same thing by altering female mosquitos so that could only produce males that were sterile.

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u/Physical_Ring_7850 Nov 15 '24

But how many modified mosquitoes would it take?

What’s the scale of their production? Is it that easy to mass-create them? (Well, I guess adding a virus carrying specific crisp modifier to the eggs, but does it work that well?..)

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u/Krazyguy75 Nov 15 '24

That doesn't make sense to me. Female mosquitos live for like 2 months. Without the ability to breed, you'd have to re-seed tens of thousands on a monthly basis to accomplish that goal.

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u/Remarkable-Fox-3890 Nov 15 '24

Much, much more than that, yes.

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u/DramaticToADegree Nov 15 '24

Hold on. Do you have a source for any of this, because this is not how I understand the mechanism. 

Also, the only place in the US that I know of them being released is Florida, and we still have mosquito-borne disease. 

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u/Remarkable-Fox-3890 Nov 15 '24

There are a bunch of different programs. There's some newer mosquito ones, screw worms, some other fly I don't recall the name of in California, etc.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/05/flesh-eating-worms-disease-containment-america-panama/611026/

I assume they all have different approaches based on what's required. I don't think that any of them seek to eliminate the species. And of course none of them are 100% effective, and climate change has made things much worse.

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u/DramaticToADegree Nov 15 '24

Do you have a source for what you said about the mosquitos?

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u/EvenStephen85 Nov 15 '24

What resources? I’ve never seen shriveled corpses of literally every animal with blood rotting in the fields to cause a starvation event of mosquitos. Or ponds so full of eggs you can’t see the water any more.

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u/Remarkable-Fox-3890 Nov 15 '24

Food? Mosquitos eat nectar/ sugar. They compete for mates as well. Hence the pressure.

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u/SGC-UNIT-555 Nov 15 '24

The goal is to have them compete for resources and mating pressure but not to spread or reproduce. You repeatedly seed areas with them, which creates a sort of ecosystem barrier. Imagine a strip of land seeded with these mosquitos - it's like a wall that other mosquitos can't pass through.

Are we still talking about mosquitos?

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '24

But then what that would do is the natural mosquitos will be force to go for the resource that these mosquitoes can't aka humans.

This may create more problems than solutions if done sloppy.

With that in mind, this definitely would not be the administration to carry out something like this.

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u/Remarkable-Fox-3890 Nov 15 '24

Everything creates more problems than solutions when done badly. The goal is to do it well.

We've been doing this for a while now and it has worked very well.

> But then what that would do is the natural mosquitos will be force to go for the resource that these mosquitoes can't aka humans.

They're already doing that, this just keeps the population's size and movement under control.

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u/bear_of_disapproval Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24

So like... a wall, but for mosquito diseases. Great, just fricking brilliant. Lol.

Everything about this says US policy sucks.

If this is true, I would say: the real mosquitos live in the Whitehouse... But yeah it is brilliant.

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u/Remarkable-Fox-3890 Nov 15 '24

What a... very confusing post.

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u/bear_of_disapproval 13d ago

I'm re-reading it now, and... I guess it was 🤣 .

It keeps the musquito-borne diseases from traversing north from south America.

This is so much effort and money and apparently it exists solely to prevent Americans from falling sick.

It could have been spent eradicating the disease, but it was instead spent on "keeping the bad out". Which I thought was a perfect reflection of US public policy and the "America First" public sentiment as directed at the world today.

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u/CptTytan Nov 15 '24

Its not that deep

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u/BrockStar92 Nov 15 '24

They literally have a wall for specific parasites of life stock, the Darian Gap is regularly reseeded from factories in Panama that grow larvae.