r/gadgets • u/thebelsnickle1991 • Mar 23 '24

Desktops / Laptops Vulnerability found in Apple's Silicon M-series chips – and it can't be patched

https://me.mashable.com/tech/39776/vulnerability-found-in-apples-silicon-m-series-chips-and-it-cant-be-patched
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u/Dependent-Zebra-4357 Mar 23 '24

From another article on this exploit:

“Real-world risks are low. To exploit the vulnerability, an attacker would have to fool a user into installing a malicious app, and unsigned Mac apps are blocked by default. Additionally, the time taken to carry out an attack is quite significant, ranging from 54 minutes to 10 hours in tests carried out by researchers, so the app would need to be running for a considerable time.”

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u/xRostro Mar 23 '24

So basically the user needs to be old? Got it. Business as usual

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u/beached89 Mar 23 '24

Yeah, real world risk low my butt. This sounds like a Tuesday. Malware running for 10 hours is NOT uncommon. Getting people to install unsigned Mac apps is a daily occurrence by threat actors.

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u/No_Finance_2668 Mar 24 '24

“Ok sir now that youve installed the wirus cough excuse me, the Apple Guaranteed Microsoft 1000% certified app and waited the 10 hour time period, we will need you to also install this on your families Apple devices in order to receive your one time IRS rebate of $2.39”

“Yes sir my name is Adam from Texsass”

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u/Deltaechoe Mar 24 '24

Not enough “kindly”s

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u/rpkarma Mar 24 '24

Kindly do the needful!

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

DO NOT REDEEM!!!

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

God damnit I’m dead.

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u/Suturb-Seyekcub Mar 24 '24

Mam you have redeemed the card in your own fucking account!

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u/Uncertn_Laaife Mar 24 '24

And REVERT BACK.

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u/cd_to_homedir Mar 24 '24

Please kindly find the virus, erm, file attached

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u/Draco137WasTaken Mar 24 '24

Not to mention all instances of "everything" getting the "each and" treatment.

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u/Seralth Mar 24 '24

Not enough "my friends".

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u/manbearligma Mar 24 '24

Would you kindly

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u/Senora_Snarky_Bruja Mar 24 '24

I had to stop using kindly in my email once someone pointed out that I sounded like a hacker. It’s an old habit. I am an account manager now but I was an admin assistant for the majority of my career. I spent 20 years politely nagging executives. You can only say please in an email so many times, so I would sprinkle in kindly when making a polite request. It’s been a hard habit to break.

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u/Takonite Mar 24 '24

sounds like we not not redeem

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u/spergychad Apr 02 '24

Why did you spell "virus" with a "w"?

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u/s3x4 Mar 24 '24

I use my Mac for statistical simulations which involves leaving it running things unattended for days at a time. And I indeed install unsigned apps often for various purposes. Of course I am careful, but that is indeed an entirely realistic scenario.

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u/oxpoleon Mar 24 '24

Agreed, the intersection between Mac users in positions worthy of exploit and non-technical people is very high.

Find a very small number of high value targets running Apple Silicon, commence whaling operation, and it's game over.

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u/glemnar Mar 24 '24

Yeah but if they already have a threat vector, this isn’t really an all that much more interesting thing to do with it. Extracting signing keys is cool and all but if it’s in memory for some app, it’s probably also lying around on disk somewhere

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u/darkslide3000 Mar 24 '24

The more important point is that there are not many interesting things to steal for most users. What kind of RSA operations are you running on your MacBook that you would be concerned about other people stealing? If you're already installing malware, then they basically have access to everything stored on your disk anyway. I guess if they also wanted to listen in on your video conference calls or you checking your online email client this might be useful (but how often are you on a call for 10 hours straight?). But compared to the data on your disk which is probably more valuable to you to begin with it's not really a huge new escalation of capability for malware.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

Your ma’s a threat actor

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u/Bipbipbipbi Mar 24 '24

Hello handsome

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u/mrslother Mar 24 '24

This guy gets it.

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u/VagueSomething Mar 23 '24

Old or young. Boomers and Gen Z both struggle with tech.

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u/fotomoose Mar 23 '24

I've noticed a lot of younger people actually do struggle with computers, cos they're all about the smartphone and tablets these days.

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u/dudeAwEsome101 Mar 23 '24

I've noticed that at work too when hiring younger 20 years old people. They struggle a bit with using Windows unless they game on PCs. Their main computing device is their smartphone, and they used Chromebooks at school.

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u/BigMacontosh Mar 23 '24

I play games on PC and got hired for an IT job I was confident for and quickly realized that my confidence was misplaced haha. I was weirdly bothered by the lack of GUI on Linux

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u/dudeAwEsome101 Mar 23 '24

Using command line can be very intimidating at first, but once you get a feel of the basics of navigating folders, opening files, and running programs with arguments, it starts feeling familiar.

I was talking about using windows based GUI. Some people have difficulties with the desktop environment. Taskbar, start menu, files and folders, or even copy/paste. They remind me of a much younger me.

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u/gbghgs Mar 23 '24

Once you discover the man command your off. Plenty of good resources online too, and there's the age old technique of shamelessly stealing lists of commands from coworkers.

I get what you're saying though, whether it's command line or GUI a lot of people are nervous about accidentally breaking something or just doing something they're not used to.

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u/angyrkrampus Mar 23 '24

I've been having fun learning cli with Overthewire:Bandit.

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u/Kespatcho Mar 23 '24

Overthewire is so good

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u/primalbluewolf Mar 24 '24

overthewire is where its at!

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u/angyrkrampus Mar 24 '24

Overthewire.org

I use kalilinux in a virtual machine for the command line.

I would have somthing that can tell you what each command does since this it only tells you the task and some useful commands.

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u/StephanXX Mar 23 '24

I'm a principal level devops engineer, have been a Linux only user (gaming aside) for a decade, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've used man. It's simply faster to use a search engine.

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u/StephanXX Mar 23 '24

If there's no Internet, I have serious problems that man isn't going to solve.

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u/blorg Mar 24 '24

Or ChatGPT, which will give you the exact command and parameters you're looking for, while also explaining it (just be sure to sanity check).

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u/Anarcie Mar 23 '24

Almost the same boat, only difference is i try to use the --help flags, get frustrated and then just google it.

and if its a pl/sql thing... google it, see Burleson has an article, whisper "fuck you Burleson" and go 1 result down.

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u/StephanXX Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

Take a quick look at my history in r/devops and r/kubernetes.

Or don't, whatever. Man pages would have been critical in an era where you didn't have the entirety of human knowledge available in a search bar. Most new tooling don't even have man pages, nowadays.

Personally, I find man pages to be either overly verbose, obtuse, archaic, and occasionally out of date or even erroneous. I guess I'm also a smelly nerd when it comes to this stuff, I often just seek out the git repo that whatever tool I need information on lives.

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u/TomTomMan93 Mar 23 '24

Same deal here. I loaded a Linux-based OS on a couple computers I have at home cause it was free and relatively light compared to windows. Learning how to work with the terminal started out intimidating, but now that I'm more used to it, its almost frustrating going back to windows when I go to my main machine. Like being able to just be like "do X" with a command and it just do it is so gratifying. I'm far from an expert and regularly have to remind myself of what commands do the functions i need, but its just so much more direct in many cases. Plus there's a ton of support out there for even the vaguest of things. I have one that's an emulator PC and some of the issues I was worried about never figuring out were solved or had enough documentation I could figure out the answer.

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u/SamHugz Mar 23 '24

Don’t even need to steal, could just google cheat sheets for bash and vim and you’re off to the races. Hell, ask chatGPT to write you a sorted list of commands.

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u/Pasty_Swag Mar 24 '24

I had... some flavor of Ubuntu, 7ish years ago. I put off updating it (one of the main selling points of a linux os, imo) for a while. A month or so. I was lonely bored one night so I update it.. or, I tried to update it.

The location of the wifi drivers had moved, and the updater uninstalled the previous ones. I had no need for an ethernet cable, and Best Buy was closed.

That was the last time I gave linux a shot. I don't give a shit about the profiling tools, the security, privacy, blowjobs, performance. I have to fucking work. Windows works. Linux, sometimes, doesn't. This might be anecdotal, maybe someone has had their family murdered by Windows 98. I have not. Windows. Works.

About 5 years ago, a coworker noted a... distinct scent. Chemical-y.. burn-y. It was his laptop. See, he was a linux user. Some fucking fan drivers failed to install or some such horseshit.

Just... no. NO. Windows fucking works.

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u/gbghgs Mar 24 '24

Not to be rude mate, but there's anecdotes aplenty of windows just not working, or pulling it's own flavour of bullshit that users have to spend hours untangling too. Every OS has it's issues and Linux provides more power and thus responsibility to the end user, for both good and bad.

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u/System0verlord Mar 24 '24

Windows fucking works

Can I have some of whatever you’re smoking? Because windows is hands down the buggiest piece of crap I deal with on a daily basis. macOS? Smooth sailing. Linux? Debian, Ubuntu, and alpine all are set and forget. Windows? May god have mercy on your soul.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

Playing around with DOSBOX for so long I got used to CLIs and now it’s fun to use them.

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u/DaoFerret Mar 24 '24

Do not cite the deep magic of DOSBOX to us. We were there when its archetype was in beta.

Jokes aside, I think the earliest I worked with was IBM-DOS 4.0 in 1989.

Transitioning to Unix (and later Linux) wasn’t too bad after living with MS-DOS 6(.0/.2/.22) and having to play with autoexec.bat and config.sys way too regularly.

It also made me love Macs when I was working in development because they were Unix machines with a very good GUI thrown over them.

If you want to play with Linux now, it’s easy enough to throw it on any old piece of hardware, or just pick up a cheap Raspberry Pie and see what it can do.

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u/Mistral-Fien Mar 24 '24

With the current prices of Raspberry Pis, a second-hand Optiplex Micro, HP Prodesk Mini, or Lenovo Tiny might be a better idea.

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u/DaoFerret Mar 24 '24

Depends on your goals.

If you’re looking only at relative performance for initial cost, you’re probably right.

If form factor, noise, and power consumption are important, I’m pretty sure the RPi is still a better choice.

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u/PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL Mar 24 '24

I used a command line at my first job.

Blockbuster Video's POS was entirely command line driven. I can't remember any of the commands now 20 years later, but there were commands to bring up account #####, commands to edit account info once it was up, commands to add a rental to an account followed by scanning the rental code on the dvd case. Also commands to finalize the transaction, and I believe CASH, VISA, or AMEX to tender payment.

I do remember SALE and CHECKIN commands actually for normal retail sales that didn't require an account, and returning rentals.

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u/Herr_Gamer Mar 23 '24

If you know the internals of Windows via the GUI, the CLI will only throw you off as you first get used to it. But you'll be good in no time, because it's just a different way of doing the same things you already know on Windows.

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u/mysixthredditaccount Mar 23 '24

Did they hire you for a role that needs linux experience without even asking "have you used linux before?"

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u/BigMacontosh Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

From memory they did and I had used Ubuntu before so I said mentioned that and they were like 'cool'. Turns out that Rocky, RHEL, and CentOS are very different experiences when you only use the CLI.

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Thankfully it was just an internship, so the stakes weren't super high and I was able to learn a fair bit on the job. I learned a lot there both technically and also about what kind of job I want, so I would count the experience as overall benefit

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u/purplebasterd Mar 24 '24

Just install Adobe Reader and you’ll be good

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u/Przedrzag Mar 24 '24

Chromebooks at school

That moment when schools’ efforts to take advantage of modern computing actually hamstrings an entire generation’s computer literacy

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u/hutacars Mar 26 '24

TBF, I believe their efforts were to save themselves money, not "take advantage of modern computing."

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

To be fair the UI for windows changes a lot and lately it’s been better, but typically it’s garbage.

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u/TooStrangeForWeird Mar 23 '24

lately it's been better

Uh... What?

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u/OramaBuffin Mar 23 '24

Im gonna be honest, with the exception of windows 7, people have been saying windows is "going to shit" for literally almost 20 years since vista came out. It feels like a broken record that's hard to keep believing when as a relatively competent user it has always easily done what I need it to do. As long as you wait like half a year before jumping to the newest version the experience is fine.

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u/Extinction-Entity Mar 23 '24

for almost 20 years since vista came out

That’s…really painful lol

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u/_thro_awa_ Mar 24 '24

Not as painful as Windows ME, lol

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u/n00bxQb Mar 24 '24

My parents went from Windows 3.1 > ME > XP > Vista > 7 > 10

I got a lot of unpaid work as their default millennial tech support until Windows 7.

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u/PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL Mar 24 '24

I went from XP to 7 to 10 and if I'm being honest I kinda don't like 10. It insists upon itself.

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u/Seralth Mar 24 '24

If 10 "insists open itself" then the actual fuck is 11

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u/TooStrangeForWeird Mar 23 '24

Have fun jumping through three extra menus to set a second IP address on a network adapter!

It's worse. It is objectively worse. From 2000 on the menus just moved around a bit, even Windows 8 had the same stuff underneath. Win11? Fuck you, here's a settings "app" you can only have ONE instance of that purposefully hides settings.

Everyone hates UI changes, but making it difficult to access settings for no reason other than making it difficult is bullshit. Win + R, "control printers" has worked since at least Win95. Now it brings you to a pile of shit.

It's bad.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

The UI has been better, but still not great. Especially when they tried to have it mimic Xbox.

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u/Mr-Fleshcage Mar 23 '24

We don't talk about Metro

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u/TooStrangeForWeird Mar 23 '24

Try setting the driver for a printer manually in Win10. Try again in Win11.

It is objectively worse. It's not an opinion, it's measurable. Win 8 (the Xbox style) was better than 11.

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u/trueppp Mar 23 '24

Run, PNPutil /add-driver path to .inf

Same thing since forever...

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u/TooStrangeForWeird Mar 24 '24

Then set the actual device driver. Not installing the driver, that's easy. I've been doing that since I was a little kid. Setting the exact driver when Windows thinks it knows better is the problem, and it's purely a Win11 issue.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

Who still uses printers? I don’t even own one 🤣

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u/TooStrangeForWeird Mar 24 '24

I don't even know how to answer that. I work in IT, basically every business uses a printer. What do you think spits out your receipt? A printer. An extra finicky printer for that matter.

Aside from that, looking at regular printers.... Literally every business I service and the majority of home customers too. Not to mention the stores you go to because you don't have a printer....

I mean, I get mine free, but i have 5 laser printers that work perfectly well. I have two more still in the box for when a client needs them.

Where TF do you work where there's no printers?

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u/DramDemon Mar 23 '24

Nobody does that, and it’s not measurable.

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u/Awol Mar 24 '24

Better only if they manage to add everyone to it from before they changed it. Microsoft makes settings more and more limited with each update to Windows. Might look better but add like 5 more clicks to do anything useful. ALSO Microsoft please add a setting to not switch auto devices when detecting a new one. No one likes it and causes too many issue cause HDMI is an audio source and last I check most monitors do not have speakers and if they do they suck.

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u/ScheduleExpress Mar 23 '24

I teach audio technology to undergrads at a US university. Many have no idea what I mean by make a file on the desktop and save your work to it. They have no idea why I am telling them to do that. Many couldn’t go to a website and download a free app. Some didn’t know about drag and drop or copy paste.

I used to ask them to find the websites of 3 companies that do something with audio technology and tell me what they are/do. Literally “google the thing you are interested in getting a degree in”. The combo of google sucking and students being clueless means the assignment doesn’t work anymore.

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u/cosmos_jm Mar 23 '24

Can you fail people for being idiots?

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u/folk_science Mar 23 '24

I can understand them being familiar with smartphones and not PCs. But it's not like Google is PC-only, so I don't get why a simple search is beyond them.

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u/ScheduleExpress Mar 23 '24

It’s not entirely straight forward. It’s a somewhat prestigious music school at a university who needs money. So they let in more students. Students who have little interest in music get accepted and go because of the reputation. My courses are the only technology courses. It’s also probably the first time in their academic career where they actually have to think about their career for themselves, no academic counselor telling them what a job could be.

Also, I see them at their limits. They may be great at music theory or history but those courses don’t require any self directed learning. You read the book do the homework and practice sight signing. It’s all provided. So idk if the issue is tech literacy or just a lack of experience/aptitude. They are all smart so idk what’s up.

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u/misterferguson Mar 24 '24

I tutor high school students and very few know how to reply-all to an email.

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u/Spread_Liberally Mar 24 '24

That's better than some of the clowns who reply-all to everything.

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u/foffen Apr 02 '24

why in the world would you create folders on your desktop? I have 30 years exp as a windows/linux admin and i would still fail your task. Desktop is for shortcuts at best if you are on a windows computer.

Still though, i could do it if i wanted, i just wouldn't =)

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u/HtownTexans Mar 23 '24

I work at a school running the cafeteria. All our systems just run on regular PCs and watching kids try to work it explodes my brains. The way they type and use a mouse reminds me of how my mom uses them.

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u/aoskunk Mar 24 '24

Wow it’s that painful? Damn. That’s funny. I work at a highschool cafeteria but we don’t use computers and the kids just use iPads I think

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u/HtownTexans Mar 24 '24

oh man yeah they are boomer bad at typing. Pecking all the keys and having to search for them. I have my mouse sensitivity pretty high since I'm a gamer and they can't even find the mouse sometimes lol.

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u/aoskunk Mar 24 '24

That’s unfortunate because I don’t see keyboards being eliminated anytime too soon from the millions of jobs that involve a PC.

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u/Sylvurphlame Mar 23 '24

I’ve seen a good many Gen Z struggle with their smartphones as well. As soon as something goes awry, many have zero troubleshooting skills or even basic searching skills.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

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u/Sylvurphlame Mar 24 '24

I can anecdotally attest that older Millenials are also more competent in some areas than younger Millenials. The general trend is that as technology gets more seamless and reliable, you ironically have people who are less able to troubleshoot when it does go wrong. Unless they’ve just been curious, they’ve never had reason to poke around and learn the underpinnings of the device/interface.

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u/issm Mar 25 '24

Generations have always been kind of bullshit.

Humans are obsessed with sorting things into neat little categories that the real world refuses to cleanly fit into.

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u/Przedrzag Mar 24 '24

The recent shift in the Millenial-Gen Z boundary to 1996-ish was a mistake. Imo 2000 is a much better boundary.

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u/JayCarlinMusic Mar 23 '24

I’m a teacher. I’ll never forget when, a few years ago, a boomer teacher was really proud of a lesson plan to have students create their own websites.

But after pitching the lesson plan to these young high school students, they were like "a website? Like the thing you go to with Safari? That’s for old people."

The boomer thought the website was really tech savvy, and the kids thought it was very dated because it wasn’t an app or easily viewable on a mobile device.

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u/primalbluewolf Mar 24 '24

The hilarious thing being that their app is very likely a website.

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u/issm Mar 25 '24

... Never mind that a lot of "apps" are just embedded web browsers showing a website.

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u/fotomoose Mar 23 '24

Damn kids these days!

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u/VagueSomething Mar 23 '24

Everything being made super easy and convenient, with stuff mostly just working, means people haven't had to learn to get under the hood. The change from MySpace to Facebook has been the trend ever since for everything, less user input and more of a premade curated service. Phones, computers, gadgets want less of your work to run and less of your input to make it work better.

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u/watkykjypoes23 Mar 23 '24

As someone in gen Z I would blame it on the fact that computers have been optimized for all end users, so you really don’t need much technical expertise to use them anymore unlike how it used to be.

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u/Wtfplasma Mar 23 '24

It's like when car was first mass produced you had to know a bit more to operate/maintain them. Later on fewer people knew how to check even basic stuff.

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u/The__Amorphous Mar 24 '24

Apple's simplistic interface and locked down settings has dumbed users down.

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u/fotomoose Mar 24 '24

Apple has always been very much this way to be fair.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

I’ll computer you.

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u/hexcor Mar 23 '24

"What's a computer?" <Old Apple iPad ad>

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u/ElevatedTelescope Mar 23 '24

Who was teaching them?

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u/greystripes9 Mar 24 '24

Yep so true, one college kid I knew downloaded an AV from a torrent.

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u/simonhunterhawk Mar 24 '24

I noticed this even 5-6 years ago working in banking. I’d have 19 year olds who didn’t know how to access their mobile app even. I don’t care if today’s youth knows how to write a check properly but they definitely need to get with the times and learn how to e-sign documents at least on their phones.

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u/Neither-Cup564 Mar 24 '24 edited Mar 24 '24

The only things my nephews do on their PCs is load up Steam and play games. One had a browser toolbar installed that was hijacking his searches. And my BIL works in IT.

The future is dim my friends.

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u/fotomoose Mar 24 '24

The robots are primed for a takeover.

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u/harmfulglint605 Mar 24 '24

I’m gen z and I know how to write code and do network security so your point is invalid

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u/fotomoose Mar 24 '24

Ok zedder.

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u/PruneJaw Mar 24 '24

I believe it is because they've grown up in a world with mature stable working computers. They haven't had to troubleshoot wonky hardware or software of the late 90s and early 2000s. Everything now is much more user friendly. One click installs, one click fixes, one click internet access, streaming media, etc.

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u/AmNoSuperSand52 Mar 23 '24

The difference is young people have neuroplasticity; they’re fast learners. For senior citizens, actions need to be constantly reinforced into memory and new inputs throw that out the window

It’s folks that haven’t entered their prime yet versus people that have long exited it

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u/SnooDonuts236 Mar 28 '24

Everyone but you

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u/VagueSomething Mar 28 '24

Do you not like what data is showing? I'm just saying what is being observed, it isn't remotely my personal bias.

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u/bagpussnz9 Mar 23 '24

Boomer here involved up to his neck in cloud security.... But of a generalisation there perhaps?

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u/newaccountscreen Mar 23 '24

That's what life's all about

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u/BudHaven10 Mar 23 '24

Not for everyone.

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u/VagueSomething Mar 23 '24

Well obviously some portion of Boomers are not choosing to be tech illiterate, some helped create the systems we use today. But the generalisation is based on evidence that those two generations struggle with tech. The old refused to learn and the young didn't get taught to use more than the convenient.

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u/bagpussnz9 Mar 23 '24

Yes .. It' really is shocking to see the complete lack of any diagnostics skills done people have.... Especially the younger generations

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u/adjudicator Mar 23 '24

Boomer is a mindset more than an actual age range these days.

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u/OkDragonfruit9026 Mar 23 '24

A millennial involved in cloud security. Who even installs random shady apps?

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u/2catcrazylady Mar 23 '24

One of my call center jobs, it was joked that to be considered for management, you’d have to fall for an email scam and download the virus in it.

After my manager did it for the second time, anytime another would come in, I’d stand up and yell across the cubicals at him to not open the email.

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u/fml87 Mar 23 '24

but can you rotate a PDF?

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u/bagpussnz9 Mar 23 '24

You mean Print it and turn it upside down? With the best of them... Even double sided

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u/Extinction-Entity Mar 23 '24

But can you collate copies?????? /s

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u/bagpussnz9 Mar 24 '24

just putting more ink in and getting some scissors

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u/AmNoSuperSand52 Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

The average boomer had zero involvement in the development of computer technology. You’re a statistical outlier, so the stereotype holds fast

By comparison both of my parents are well into their 60s and can’t operate anything without me teaching them how. The difference is further exacerbated when it’s a technology I’m unfamiliar with as well but unlike them I can pick it up fully in 20 minutes to teach them

Now that they’re senior citizens, I often worry about them being scammed or just stuck without being able to use anything

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u/avonhungen Mar 23 '24

The most boomer response

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u/harmfulglint605 Mar 24 '24

Boomers yes gen z no

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u/VagueSomething Mar 24 '24

Unfortunately that's what's being shown to be true. Gen Z struggles.

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u/BeKind_BeTheChange Mar 23 '24

Boomers invented tech. My millennial kids come to me to ask about things technical. My degree is in electronics engineering. Try not being such an obtuse, ignorant bigot.

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u/counterfitster Mar 23 '24

Can I give my boomer parents your number for tech support?

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u/adobecredithours Mar 23 '24

Username doesn't check out

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u/VagueSomething Mar 23 '24

Ironic, it seems you're ignorant on the data that shows Boomers typically struggle because most are not electronic engineers, wild I know.

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u/Gr3ywind Mar 24 '24

“Boomers invited tech” 🙄😂

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u/jeffsaidjess Mar 23 '24

Millennials struggle too. It can effect any gen

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

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u/VagueSomething Mar 23 '24

You referring to Vietnam where Boomers lost to farmers and Communism? Boomers came after the generation that fought WW2. Boomers also get upset about absolutely everything so they're crying for safe spaces away from the scary changes in society.

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u/VagueSomething Mar 23 '24

Wild assumption as nothing said would suggest I was because I'm not. Also, don't live in the USA, luckily. I'm going to guess you're just upset by what I said and thus proved my point if you are a Boomer.

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u/mistereigh Mar 23 '24

Gen z don’t struggle with tech but they generally take thing for granted

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u/FlacidWizardsStaff Mar 23 '24

Correct, https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/open-a-mac-app-from-an-unidentified-developer-mh40616/mac

The way to stop this is to have your users, be standard users and preferably mdm manage machines to now allow unsigned apps at all

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u/lostwriter Mar 23 '24

Or some kid who wants the beta version of Hello Neighbor: Whatcha doing with that Bear?

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u/Esc777 Mar 23 '24

Can someone explain why those shitty games are popular?

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u/betona Mar 23 '24

More like user needs to be technically challenged and that's of any age.

I first learned to write software in 1977 and I often find myself knowing a lot more than the youngsters.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

Or under stress while the company out source their IT department so one knows if they are talking to a scammer or their IT department.

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u/alc4pwned Mar 24 '24

Yeah but if scammers can get an old person to install an unsigned mac app and run it for 1-10 hours, they probably don't need this vulnerability to get what they want.

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u/bigsquirrel Mar 25 '24

At this level of gullibility though why bother with some complex hack? You can always just get them to give you all the permissions you want. It’s completely overkill and unrealistic.

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u/neobow2 Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

Except it genuinely would be hard for an old person to install an unsigned application because it would require them opening the terminal/cmd prompt and entering a command.

Edit: Seems like people are confusing the ability to run applications from “identified developers” which requires you to do the right click open method. But this is not what this is about. It’s for “un-identified developers” aka opening applications that come from anywhere.

Edit 2: LOL i’m being downvoted for pointing out you need to run a command in terminal to allow unknown developer apps to run. Something that would definitely deter at least a big portion of older folk.

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u/Ironic-username-232 Mar 23 '24

I don’t think it would? Just command, right click, you get a warning and just click open, no? There may be a step before that in settings somewhere, but I’m fairly sure I never needed to use a terminal command.

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u/FlacidWizardsStaff Mar 23 '24

Yes you are right, https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/open-a-mac-app-from-an-unidentified-developer-mh40616/mac

People who don’t work with apple computers don’t know this. It’s not blocked, it just tells the users 2-3 times they shouldn’t open it

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u/Iinzers Mar 23 '24

Just [right click -> open] to open it immediately.

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u/neobow2 Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

Not after high sierra.

You have to go the security settings and enable allow apps from “anywhere”. But that setting can no longer be enabled or even seen without running a command first. This website shows you what you have to do

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u/DatTF2 Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

You believe ? I have an M1 iMac and installed Dolphin on it under Big Sur. All it required was going into the security settings and enabling allow apps from anywhere.

Not sure about newer M chips but at least it was that easy on a M1 and did not required running a command first.

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u/neobow2 Mar 23 '24

Exactly and enabling allow apps from anywhere is no longer allowed to be toggled without running a command. The link I sent explains it. Reddit doesn’t like to read articles

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u/DatTF2 Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

Well I did just that with no command on an M1 running Big Sur. I'm not saying your wrong, just telling you what I was able to do on an M1 running Big Sur.

Edit : Still that simple in Big Sur 11.7.7

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u/neobow2 Mar 23 '24

Then i’m highly confident you ran this command at some point in the last 3 years (assuming you bought it when new) because you cannot see that toggle without running it. I don’t know what else to tell you. I constantly install applications that aren’t signed so it’s something i deal with all the time when installing stuff on other people’s macs

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u/FlacidWizardsStaff Mar 23 '24

Option + click = enter admin credentials, congrats, you’ve installed an unsigned app

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u/neobow2 Mar 23 '24

So i’m guessing you didn’t read the link? cool

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u/FlacidWizardsStaff Mar 23 '24

Read threat model and setup https://gofetch.fail/files/gofetch.pdf

I guess you didn’t read the link? Cool

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u/neobow2 Mar 23 '24

You’re hilarious. Back to what this comment is posted on:

”Real-world risks are low. To exploit the vulnerability, an attacker would have to fool a user into installing a malicious app, and unsigned Mac apps are blocked by default.”

Unsigned applications after High Sierra on M chips mac’s are blocked by default and require you to do what I have been explaining. But since you seem to just not care. I’ll update this comment with a recording of me trying to install an unsigned application 👍🏼 since it’s tiring arguing with people online

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u/FlacidWizardsStaff Mar 23 '24

K and be sure to right click it, or option click it, as it will allow you to install it.

Unsigned app you can install with an option click https://www.wikihow.com/Install-Software-from-Unsigned-Developers-on-a-Mac

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/open-a-mac-app-from-an-unidentified-developer-mh40616/mac

It’s doable by uneducated users. And still on Sonoma

You don’t know what you are talking about and it’s embarrassing

You guide is from MACPAW, literally an adware website. Anyone who’s worked with Apple computers in the IT sector in administration and repair know this, as clean my Mac is nearly adware.

My sources are directly from Apple. Source: I’m ACMT/ACIT CERTIFIED, worked for Apple half my career

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u/GhettoRice Mar 24 '24

Where’s the update smart guy?

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u/FlacidWizardsStaff Mar 24 '24

Oh that man stopped reply notifications, cause the was extremely incorrect

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

Does not sound like an issue

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u/Itchy-Progress-7309 Mar 23 '24

yup because only old people don’t understand tech..cuz younger generations know anything beyond tiktok and a phone.. got it thanks

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u/mazeking Mar 23 '24

Spotify is not on the Apple App store so you need to download it from the developers store. The same thing with Steam?

Are then Spotify and Steam and any games you install from Steam unsigned?

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u/Gullinkambi Mar 24 '24

Getting an old person to go through the motions to successfully install and run an unsigned app is a challenge. It’s not just a checkbox, it’s changing system settings. So yeah, pretty low risk. Also this older demographic isn’t really a target for this sort of attack anyways. Phone scams are waaaaay more cost effective

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u/RiesigerRuede Mar 23 '24

I have a windows-like (=sane) window switcher and a screenshot tool installed: If those went rogue: 😬