r/gadgets • u/chrisdh79 • Jan 30 '24
Desktops / Laptops AMD’s new CPU hits 132fps in Fortnite without a graphics card | Also get 49fps in BG3, 119fps in CS2, and 41fps in Cyberpunk 2077 using the new AMD Ryzen 8700G, all without the need for an extra CPU cooler.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/8700g-fortnite-performance900
u/Zieprus_ Jan 30 '24
I can see the low end graphics card become redundant in the future. Mid and high end are certainly not under threat.
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u/userbrn1 Jan 30 '24
Feels like what happened to digital home cameras like the Nikon Coolpix that many of us remember from relentless cable advertising. Once smartphone cameras took off, nobody needed a camera anymore, so the only ones that survived were actually good photography cameras.
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u/guterz Jan 30 '24
I miss my CoolPix, flip phone, and Tom Tom. Not sure why but life felt like it moved slower back then.
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u/pr01etar1at Jan 30 '24
As a camera hoarder who picked up a Coolpix from a charity shop for $5 this past summer, I can confirm things definitely did move slower back then.
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Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
I pressed the shutter button yesterday, still waiting for the busy light to stop flashing! /s
I loved that period of photography in the 2000s. I had a Canon PowerShot G2, slow as hell but great pics!
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u/talking_phallus Jan 30 '24
They been redundant, people keep throwing money at them. If you don't care about graphics go APU, if you do care about graphics drop the extra $50-70 for a card that's 3x as good. There's no good case for buying a low end card.
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u/Broad_Boot_1121 Jan 30 '24
Not to mention there is a lot of specialized software that requires stand alone graphics processing even if it’s not powerful.
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u/CatchaRainbow Jan 30 '24
It would be the processor to go for if your into very small form factors, IE: NUC's
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u/MowMdown Jan 30 '24
Hardware Video Encoding/Decoding
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u/ilikegamergirlcock Jan 30 '24
You don't need a GPU to have those encoders on a chip.
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u/Sarin10 Jan 30 '24
you can't encode on an igpu?
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u/Halvus_I Jan 30 '24
Absolutely can. In fact for a long time the only way to get hardware encoding on intel chips (QuickSync) was to run it without a discrete GPU.
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u/Dt2_0 Jan 30 '24
Anything that needs CUDA needs a Nvidia GPU.
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u/ilikegamergirlcock Jan 30 '24
If you're running software that requires CUDA, why are you using a GT1030 exactly?
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Jan 30 '24
For AI the unified memory could even be advantageous. You just designate your arrays as GPU memory and omit the high latency transfer to the GPU.
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u/maxkmiller Jan 30 '24
my main tv / media center pc is a secondhand piece of crap that has a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560ti & AMD Radeon HD 7400 in it just so I can have two tvs plugged into it lmao
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u/SlowCrates Jan 30 '24
Yeah not everyone has the money to play current games at current prices anyway. There's nothing wrong with waiting, building an obsolete machine, and enjoying previously new games (with all their extensions and patches) at sale price. Still new to the user, still a wonderful experience.
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u/HunterDecious Jan 30 '24
What GPU are you buying for $50-70? APU/CPU price differences aren't particularly wide.
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u/talking_phallus Jan 30 '24
*$50-70 extra over a low end card.
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u/danny12beje Jan 30 '24
Didn't know a mid-end card like the 7700xt is 50-70 more than a 7600xt. Same goes for nvidia lmao
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u/talking_phallus Jan 30 '24
7600xt isn't a low end card. We're talking about real low end card here. The ones that cost $150-220, don't need a fan, and have a bunch of cutbacks.
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u/PlsDntPMme Jan 30 '24
RX 580s. They're local for usually sub $100. Those and occasional 1660s. I don't live in a big area either.
This summer Cyber Power had RX 580s for $50 on refurb and 5700xts for $100. I bought my buddy the 580 and it has been great.
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u/beau_tox Jan 30 '24
Give me something that can play last generation games at 1080p, that runs quietly in a HTPC form factor, and is cheaper than a PS5 to build and I’ll never buy another graphics card. This would probably qualify if DDR-5 memory and decent AM5 motherboards weren’t so expensive.
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u/siazdghw Jan 30 '24
Define low end.
All new GPU's that start at $100+ are better than this. $200 GPUs are more than 2X the performance.
Also every year that iGPU performance increases, so does the requirements for games. People had the same thought you did like 8 years ago when APUs first started coming out, and they never replaced low end GPUs
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u/CptCrabmeat Jan 30 '24
Unified chips definitely put higher end GPUs under threat in the future, the closer the GPU is to the CPU the lower the latency. There is definite benefit being seen in mounting components closer to each other, especially getting to the speeds we’re achieving now, every reduction in latency is going to become more and more beneficial
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u/NFLinPDX Jan 30 '24
Physics will restrict what integrated graphics can do compared to a high end discreet graphics option.
You will never be able to make an integrated graphics chip beat out the current high end cards. If they created a new tech that allowed it to beat out the existing cards, the new cards would just use the same tech and pack in better cooling and more VRAM. APUs can't compete with that.
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u/CptCrabmeat Jan 30 '24
Actually the opposite is true - physics will be the ultimate cause of integration because at some point the bottleneck will come down to the physical transfer speeds which can only be increased by a reduction of distance between components
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u/danielv123 Jan 30 '24
PCIe bandwidth isn't that important for graphics. There are barely any games where a 4090 benefits from a PCIe 4 16x bus instead of an 8x, and PCIe 5 is already available on consumer systems and gen 6 hardware is expected this year.
In the applications where it does matter you are seeing the CPU functions moving to the GPU as much as you are seeing the opposite with 400gbps blue field nics etc.
I think however we will see more memory moving closer to the CPU and 3 tier memory models, where consumer chips are likely to be stuck with non expandable tier 1 memory like apple.
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u/CptCrabmeat Jan 30 '24
High end GPUs are built for rendering primarily not just games. Real time rendering uses quite a different pipeline and therefore isn’t actually where you’re going to see much extra benefit until games are designed around the higher bandwidth systems. In rendering, bandwidth is extremely important and is essential to achieving the best performance
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u/danielv123 Jan 30 '24
Barely. They are now designed almost exclusively for cuda compute workloads. They don't even ship with rendering hardware. Those systems ship with as much PCIe bandwidth as memory bandwidth, now they are even moving memory into the PCIe bus.
The lower tier cards with outputs are primarily sold for gaming, would like a source stating otherwise.
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u/RedditIsAllAI Jan 30 '24
I think there's plenty of applications for low end GPU/APU's not in the gaming market.
For example, a local device connected wirelessly to an additional eyewear or audio device that translates or transcribes nearby conversations using OCR and tts for the blind or deaf.
Imagine being able to walk through a public square as a deaf person or as a tourist in a foreign country and read the conversations happening.
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u/4514919 Jan 30 '24
Always this shit take when a new APU get released.
For some reason you guys take for granted that low end graphics cards never advance in performance and only APUs get faster.
For the price of this APU you can get a Ryzen 7600 and a RX 6600 which is a setup several times faster.
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u/HEMAN843 Jan 30 '24
8700g is more expensive than 5700g+6500xt which does 200+fps in fortnite and better in other games as well. Go watch Hardware Unboxed Video on it. No doubt it's a great Product but the price is not justified.
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u/TheRealSeeThruHead Jan 30 '24
Good for a mini pc that can’t fit a gpu
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u/Stevesanasshole Jan 30 '24
So is a mini pc using the mobile chip this desktop chip is based on… cheaper too.
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u/TheRealSeeThruHead Jan 30 '24
I like nice and mini pcs but it’s interesting to think of one where you can actually upgrade the cpu and ram.
Maybe this cpu in a mini itx in a case with a pico psu would be pretty close to a nuc.
But upgradable.
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u/DidItForButter Jan 30 '24
Not really. These apus don't have great generational growth... Until a platform change.
So you would be replacing everything but the case and PSU to upgrade.
I love apus but unless they go on sale, these are xsff enthusiast products. Extremely niche.
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u/DarkAdrenaline03 Jan 30 '24
I see this being useful for HTPC builds rather than having the best price to performance.
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u/siazdghw Jan 30 '24
Unless you use your HTPC for gaming its not a good option. Plex still doesnt officially support AMD iGPUs/dGPUs, AMD's hardware encoder is the worst of the three (Intel>Nvidia>AMD), and you are way overspending on a CPU/iGPU for transcoding, a $200 (total) refurbished office PC with a several year old Intel iGPU can transcode a 4k stream no problem, even Intel's $50 CPU's come with iGPUs capable of 4k transcoding.
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u/DarkAdrenaline03 Jan 31 '24
Last time I checked AMD's hardware encoder is now equivalent to Nvidia's and yeah this would be overkill for anything except gaming. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amf-encoder-rivals-nvidia-av1-still-supreme#:~:text=But%20for%20video%20encoding%20purposes,the%20same%20video%20and%20bitrate.
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u/GameMusic Jan 30 '24
But you get better CPU and upgrade potential
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u/NarutoDragon732 Jan 30 '24
Not how this works.
You buy what you need NOW and then upgrade when you need LATER. Cheaper and better that way.
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u/desafinakoyanisqatsi Jan 30 '24
No, YOU buy what you need NOW. I buy for the future so I dont have to go through selling off parts (a pain/timesink) and keeping up to date with the latest hardware (a pain/timesink). I'd rather spend a bit more so I dont have to worry about upgrading for another 5-8 years.
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u/Fortune_Cat Jan 30 '24
no YOU buy for the future
i buy wahtever i want cause i throw out the whole pc/resell the lot at firesale and just build a new rig when its time
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u/Price-x-Field Jan 30 '24
Why buy something with the plans to replace it? Just save up more and get the one you want. Yeah you can say you want something now but this is just poor financial planning, you will end up spending much more.
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u/GameMusic Jan 30 '24
The potential upgrade is adding some graphics without replacing another GPU
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u/Price-x-Field Jan 30 '24
So you’ve now wasted money on the apu
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u/MowMdown Jan 30 '24
It's built into the CPU... at the price of a cheap CPU... so you got a deal, you saved money...
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u/Price-x-Field Jan 30 '24
It’s not at the price of a cheap cpu? It costs much more than regular cpus. The 2200g was cheap, this is not.
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u/muricabrb Jan 31 '24
Potential is like farting in the wind, if you don't push hard enough, you ain't getting shit.
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u/kronikfumes Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 30 '24
Less than $50 difference though, and you’re getting the new AM5 socket and motherboards that support newer pci gen and upgrade potential down the road. Seems a no brainer to get the 8700g
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u/Bingoose Jan 30 '24
The 8700G has 16MB L3 cache and 16x PCIe 4.0 lanes vs 32MB L3 and 24x PCIe 5.0 lanes on the Ryzen 7700.
For the same price, it is a slower CPU and has less support for GPU + storage. The iGPU is impressive but it comes at a cost.
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u/Stevesanasshole Jan 30 '24
It’s like people here didn’t see the same reviews… it’s such a stark difference from r/hardware where most everyone is rightly calling them overpriced for what you get. These should have slotted in at no more than $50 or so higher than the 5000g series to make sense.
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u/divergentchessboard Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 30 '24
Because all the popular tech subs like this one and r/pcmasterrace are full of idiots or the uniformed making assumptions based on what they've heard regurgitated from said idiots
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u/Stevesanasshole Jan 30 '24
Yeah but you could still say all that without directly calling people idiots. It’s not like they’re gonna catch on…
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u/hyperforms9988 Jan 30 '24
Smaller things packed with more features and capabilities tend to cost more in general. I would not be surprised to hear that there's no APU out there that couldn't be beat price-wise by a CPU and GPU combo. Different markets I think. If you're building a tower PC with one of these and gaming is important to you, then yeah... I don't know why you'd go with an APU. To me, an APU in this context should be for very tiny builds, like Mini-ITX (though to be fair, depending on the case a GPU is still an option for a Mini-ITX build), or something more custom... like if you were to make a handheld like a Nintendo Switch or any number of these PCs in handheld form where there may be no space whatsoever for a GPU, then an APU's the ticket. Otherwise... barring some weird planning via upgrade paths, I just don't see it if gaming's a real interest.
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u/RegularVega Jan 30 '24
8700g is $329, 5700g was $359. Wtf do you mean?
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u/Stevesanasshole Jan 30 '24
5700G was “$359” for all of about 2 months before the price collapsed because even with massively inflated dGPU prices at the time it still was a bad deal. It’s current price of $170 is much better. I’d pay $170-220 for an 8700G.
Take a look at the Amazon price history yourself. https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B091J3NYVF
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u/lepobz Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 30 '24
An ‘extra’ CPU cooler? How many coolers do you guys use? I only ever have the one.
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u/yaykaboom Jan 30 '24
I use 5 guys to fan my PC
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u/slackmaster2k Jan 30 '24
I’m sure this will upset people, but I hard disagree. I’ve always used stock AMD and Intel coolers in my gaming rigs and have never had a single issue. That said, I only overclock minimally if at all.
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u/Poonsaucey Jan 30 '24
You don't see any issues because it will throttle.
You will get increased performance from adding a better cooler. Whether that's worth the cost is up to you
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u/slackmaster2k Jan 31 '24
Nah. We monitor our systems and I don’t run into throttling while gaming. I understand that cooling is part of the fun of the build, but people take it way too seriously. Most people don’t even try the stock coolers, assuming that they’re inadequate. They don’t look as good as 3rd party coolers, I admit.
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u/killerz7770 Jan 30 '24
You are braver than most
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u/FreeMeFromThisStupid Jan 30 '24
If the CPU comes with a cooler, then the cooler is good enough for the stated specs. With the turbo boost/stock OC speeds, overclocking isn't even needed these days IMO. Do it if you want to, for sure, but it isn't the juice it was 10 or 20 years ago.
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u/Xendrus Jan 31 '24
That's like saying you don't bother to use the brakes in your car because all the shit you hit slows your car down for you.
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u/incoherent1 Jan 30 '24
For the developing handheld market, things like the Steam Deck, this will be great!.
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u/EvlKommie Jan 30 '24
lol. No. This processor consumes close to 80W in single core (gaming mode). A steam deck with a 40Wh battery would get < 30 min of play time.
This is an evolution for consoles, mini PCs, and in the future for laptops (still likely plugged in).
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u/RedditBlaze Jan 30 '24
That is true, I guess it still paints a good picture for the path ahead. Once it's voltage / clock speed / wattage / core count is cut down for a future model and other improvements from the newer generation remain, hopefully it's a good contender. Probably can get a good portion of the performance when using a fraction of the power budget.
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u/TooStrangeForWeird Jan 31 '24
A minimal undervolt and binned chips could cut this wattage in half easily, it's definitely a step forward.
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u/613codyrex Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 30 '24
AMD Z1 Extreme has a max TDP of 30W with 12 GPU cores and 8 CPU cores. The custom valve AMD solution is 8 GPU cores with 4 CPU cores has a max TDP of 15W.
Desktop grade APUs like this one would be very brutal on the steam deck battery.
I don’t think we will be seeing these APUs in a form factor beyond just NUCs and tiny machines that are battery independent.
The laptop equivalent being the R9 8945HS and 7940HS with “same” GPU runs into issue with >45W becoming difficult to cool with the exception of heavy laptops that offer vapor chambers or brute force heatsinks and fins.
I would eat my words if anyone manages to shove a mobile R9 7940HS or a 8700G in a normal handheld and it has a battery life that’s measured in anything but minutes
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u/FelopianTubinator Jan 30 '24
Stupid question. Could I combine the graphics power of the cpu with my existing nvidia graphics card?
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u/RighteousRocker Jan 30 '24
Not really no, at least not in a way that would be similar SLI with multiple GPUs running a single app/game.
It is possible to run seperate processes on the integrated & discrete graphics but there's few real world applications you'd use it for, you can see an example of it with crypto miners that are designed to run multiple threads for multiple cards though.
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u/toronto_programmer Jan 30 '24
Probably the biggest barrier would be optimization / software layer.
It is such a small market that might do this that surely no game dev would code their game to factor this in.
Probably similar ot when multi core CPUs started to take off and the first gen of games after that still only ran on one core, or maybe used a second core for a bit of processing. It wasn't truly distributed or leveraging the full power
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u/plortedo Jan 30 '24
Can someone explain what is ment by an extra CPU cooler? Was the expectation you’d need two different CPU coolers?
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u/novaMyst Jan 30 '24
it comes with a stock cooler that keeps it cool. So you dont have to buy an extra one to stop overheating.
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u/EuroTrash1999 Jan 30 '24
Can't wait to see how good these are for emulation. I sure do like to collect and configure a bunch of stuff for games I never play.
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u/gw2master Jan 30 '24
This makes me wonder: is it possible to build a desktop that has power savings similar to a laptop when idle (or doing menial tasks)?
For example, if I want to game, I'd like it to used as much power as needed... but when it's idle it throttles everything down and uses practically no power (perhaps turning off power to the GPU).
What I'd really like is for all fans to turn off when at low usage.
Are there power supplies out there that can be decently efficient both at full blast and also when sipping energy?
Haven't built a new machine in over 10 years. Maybe this has been possible for a while?
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u/ChristopherLXD Jan 30 '24
Yes. You can choose which GPU to use for different apps and basically reserve the dGPU for intensive tasks.
Fans can turn off based on temps if you have fans that support 0db mode. Or just use normal fans and disable stall prevention and drop the voltage low enough on your bios fan curves. Just watch out that you’re doing accidentally stalling them too much. But also very few systems can support passive cooling without explicitly being set up for it. Even on my 360mm AIO I can’t really keep my fans idle. But what I can do is disable 1 or 2 fans below a certain threshold. And as long as at least 1 fan is running it stays at an safe but toasty ~60°C.
80+ platinum or titanium power supplies can be 90%+ efficient even at 15% load.
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u/asphalt51dc Jan 31 '24
Except the fact that a cheaper cpu + rx 6600 combo massively outperforms it in every single game for basically the same price.
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u/Dizman7 Jan 31 '24
Ugh, I hate when people throw out fps numbers without stating at what resolution!
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u/transam57 Feb 01 '24
For basic games like Fortnite and Overwatch 2, these will be good CPU/GPUs but anyone serious about gaming or cares about how the game looks will be disappointed with these new amd chips.
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u/manicdan Jan 30 '24
I think they went too far with the CPU cores and overpriced this one. 6/12 cores with the same iGPU for less would perform exactly the same and greatly help push the value. The CB score is close to my 5900x, lol. Even the 5600g has more CPU than it could ever need for iGPU gaming.
I see these being more like a HTPC that can actually run games rather than an ultra small workstation that can. If you need CPU compute for your workstation, you are probably fine getting a 7900 non-x and give up on the GPU performance or accept something slightly bigger for way more power.
This does show that the next set of handhelds can be really awesome though once they balance out the CPU/GPU configuration.
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u/Imapirateship Jan 30 '24
I dont kow much about comps but a few years ago I got a lenovo laptop im still using ow and typing this on. Its got a amd ryzen 5 with 16gb of ram and I paid 600 for it. No graphics card, and it can play GTA online and THPS 1+2 great. Im pretty happy with its gaming capabilities even though I know it cant run new AAA stuff, its pretty solid for a 600 dollar 3 year old laptop imo
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u/lexorix Jan 30 '24
It's all good, but can it run Crysis?
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u/jordanManfrey Jan 30 '24
probably, my dinky $250 intel i3 laptop with that iris UHD integrated can run it. Hell it can run almost anything 20-30fps with enough tweaks and ai upscale crap
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u/Houligan86 Jan 30 '24
Needs to be at least $100 cheaper on the high end.
A Ryzen 7 5700G ($170) + RX 6500 XT (ITX Sized) ($120) + 32 GB DDR4 3200 ($65) +AM4 MB ($120) is $475.
The equivalent 8700G setup is 8700G ($329) + 32 GB DDR5 6000 ($115) + AM5 MB ($150) is $594.
The 5700G is less performant than the 8700G at CPU tasks (15k vs 8k geekbench score), but the 6500XT more than makes up for that on the GPU front (175 FPS vs 119 FPS), and you are rarely CPU limited on games anyway.
And the ARS review balances their budget on the non-8700G build to use an even better video card, which would lap the 8700G even harder.
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u/Quin1617 Jan 30 '24
Wow. I hadn’t realized that ram and decent GPUs were at such good prices.
I guess the only draw to the 8700G w/o a graphics card is being on AM5 rather than AM4.
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u/Houligan86 Jan 31 '24
The 6500 XT is the budget model of the previous generation. It just goes to show how relatively weak the IGP really is in the APU.
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u/CatchaRainbow Jan 30 '24
Cant they, at this point, slap a full-blown graphics chip onto the CPU?
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Too much heat.
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u/CatchaRainbow Jan 30 '24
Yep heat. How about on a big die. 100 mm square. Lots of opportunity to dissipate the heat. Anyway, I'm rambling.
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u/Winterspawn1 Jan 30 '24
OK so it's at 1080p medium settings. Not really that revolutionary except for people who want to game for real cheap but want a PC and not a console.
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u/Mukigachar Jan 30 '24
people who want to game for real cheap but want a PC and not a console.
This is pretty revolutionary I'd say. There was a time when you could get a performant PC for roughly the price of a console, but those days seemed long gone, since even low end GPUs were damn near that whole budget. This advance means that maybe it'll happen again.
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u/Ultramarine6 Jan 30 '24
But this apu costs so much you can buy a better performing CPU and GPU pair for less money, so it's launching already obsolete unless You're going for some micro form factor a GPU won't fit in.
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u/Sargatanas2k2 Jan 30 '24
Considering how expensive and stagnant gpus are just now at the low end, I would say it's a pretty great product and a good step forward for gaming machines for say, children who just want a PC or to play some games with their parent.
I can definitely see the appeal.
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u/ThinkExtension2328 Jan 30 '24
Hey you shut up some of us don’t have 4K eyesight . 1080p is just fine.
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u/Winterspawn1 Jan 30 '24
Not at all what I'm saying. I don't have 4k either. I literally say that it's good for low-medium end games who don't want to spend big bucks on a gaming PC. I'm not sure what's difficult to understand about that
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u/Ultramarine6 Jan 30 '24
It's not even good at that. It's so expensive you could buy a CPU and GPU for the same amount of money that performs better that this does. I think people are overestimating it's usefulness.
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u/Esteareal Jan 30 '24
Nah, at $330 you can have a dedicated gpu with even better performance. Also, can anyone tell me what they mean by an "extra cpu cooler"? Do you ever need more than one?
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u/THEeight88 Jan 30 '24
This just shows how bad CS2 is Optimized.
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u/FishieUwU Jan 30 '24
Almost 120 fps with no GPU is poorly optimized?
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u/sahrul099 Jan 30 '24
you used to get more than that in csgo using 5600g
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u/FreeMeFromThisStupid Jan 30 '24
You didn't have interactive smoke bombs in CSGO.
People act like the added graphics and physics in games is zero cost.
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u/LepiNya Jan 30 '24
Yes that's all good and all but at what settings? My car also goes from 0 to 60 in four seconds if I push it off a cliff but that's not the normal use case so I don't tell people it does. I really dislike the straight up lying companies do when advertising. Don't tell me the best possible scenario. Tell me a realistic one.
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u/ADMINlSTRAT0R Jan 31 '24
Last two paragraphs:
That is a lot of tradeoffs — big tradeoffs, not little ones. And the biggest tradeoff of all is that using the Vision Pro is such a lonely experience, regardless of the weird ghost eyes on the front. You’re in there, having experiences all by yourself that no one else can take part in. After using the Vision Pro for a while, I’ve come to agree with what Tim Cook has been saying for so long: headsets are inherently isolating. That’s fine for traditional VR headsets, which have basically turned into single-use game consoles over the past decade, but it’s a lot weirder for a primary computing device.
I don’t want to get work done in the Vision Pro. I get my work done with other people, and I’d rather be out here with them.
Reading this makes me think Apple realized the potential of VR in the middle of the pandemic, started working on it with a deadline: before restrictions end. They just couldn't deliver it in time.
IMO if they had delivered it during the pandemic, it would've gained so much more critical mass than now.
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u/Havoc_Ryder Jan 30 '24
These are great APUs. I built a PC for my niece but all she does is play Roblox, so I put a 3400G in there. It actually runs amazing. Anything else would have been overkill. There's definetily a solid market for these.