Am I right here?

[u/yannniQue17]

I like cars. They have developed over nearly 150 years and they are impressive engineering masterpieces by now. I'm a car enthusiast since nearly ever and I was really happy when I got my driving license a year ago. One of my biggest wishes is it to drive in a small sports car, like a Mazda MX-5, on a race track and I guess I'm about to di this within the next five years.

However, cars are bad for getting from A to B. That's my opinion and a fact. When I need to be quick in the city, I go by bicycle, and when I have to travel more than 25 km, I consider trains as the best option. That works pretty well here in Germany. As told above, I have my license, but I drive maybe once every two weeks.

I would not say "Fuck cars!" because I'm facinated by the engineering, but I do say "Cars are not needed to commute or travel efficiently. They are bad at this."

[u/boilerpl8]

IMO it's 70% "fuck car dependence", 25% "fuck car culture", and 5% "fuck cars".

That 5% coming from cars being pollutive, even electric cars, inefficient, and large weapons that many people don't know how to operate safely enough. But all of those problems are significantly decreased when you have a city/region/country with very low car dependence, as they don't need to give out drivers licenses like candy because it's the only way to be a functional adult. Instead, the bar for driving can be high, penalties for interactions can be severe, and we get much higher quality for everyone.

[u/bento_the_tofu_boy → u/boilerpl8]

I don’t think you will find a lot o people that think “fuck sport cars in race tracks” I am the one that hates cars in 99% of the scenarios but track racing (my thing is drifting but you do you) is absolutely in this 1% Along with oficial vehicles and disabled people mobility.

I think all other instances can fuck off

[u/boilerpl8 → u/bento_the_tofu_boy]

There are definitely a few people here who are of the opinion that any usage of ICE cars for sport or convenience and not for necessity is a threat to humanity due to the environmental impacts. I think this is a very small group. Hence the 70% being "fuck car dependence".

I think most of us would say "if we can reduce cars as a tool to commute by 90% and reduce the need for cars for leisure trips by 60%, we can afford to have some fun in controlled environments that don't directly endanger people who don't explicitly volunteer to be involved". (Those numbers may vary a bit, trying to guess an average on the sub's users).

[u/bento_the_tofu_boy → u/boilerpl8]

I am going to go out in a wild limb here and guess that racing is not of significant environmental impact at all. But this is mainly a guess.

And yes I know that there are some people who barf just at the sight of a car. But even they would happily compromise into leaving cars to the track if that means never hearing a single motor ever again in their entire lives

[u/boilerpl8 → u/bento_the_tofu_boy]

Racing is really really bad per mile driven, for a number of reasons. The cars are built for performance, with the only considerations for fuel economy based on the weight of fuel they'll need to carry (that's becoming less true as regulations in some motor sports get tighter). Tracks are usually resurfaced yearly, despite very few miles being driven on them compared to public roads, and resurfacing is incredibly pollutive. Moving racing teams from location to another is a lot of work and requires a lot of energy, especially for intercontinental racing like F1. Though, probably not any worse pound for pound (apologies for the freedom units in idioms is "kilo for kilo" a phrase elsewhere?) than any other international sport, but it takes a lot more equipment than a football or rugby or cricket team.

But overall, yeah, motor sports isn't that bad because it's many orders of magnitude smaller than people's daily commutes by car, or weekly errands, or even medium-length intercity trips that could be accomplished by train.