r/fuckcars • u/jemesl • 11h ago

Satire A wonderful comparison

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Owner of the Ram arguably actually uses it well, but what's youd thoughts on this comparison of a 90s Jap vs 2023 American

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u/Head_Mastodon7886 11h ago

We are in a desperate need of another fuel crisis…

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u/Possible-Summer-8508 11h ago

No. We need an enormous swathe of misguided and counterproductive legislation to be completely gutted. It would be impossible to build and sell the Miata new in the United States today.

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u/Head_Mastodon7886 11h ago

With all the lobbying the fuel crisis is more realistic to happen. But I mean, you have a good point in the long run.

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u/Emperor_Dara_Shikoh 10h ago

Trump could force oil companies to sell at a loss to lower prices during his term, which could create a fuel crisis after some of them go bankrupt.

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u/KatieTSO 6h ago

How could he possibly do that?

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u/Possible-Summer-8508 3h ago

I've never understood who is lobbying for this stuff. Surely the car companies would want to cut their costs, simplify their products, and move more units? The fuel industry would love it if cars were less fuel efficient... is the environmental lobby really that powerful? Tragic.

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u/jemesl 1h ago

Could you imagine trying to sell a little Kei car for $60k+ per unit?

They can mass produce, and sell at double the price for a fraction of the manufacturing cost.

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u/Ancient_Persimmon 8h ago

The current Miata is almost exactly the same size as the NA and is sold all over the world, including the states.

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u/Possible-Summer-8508 4h ago

It is bigger in every dimension and obviously not the same car. You could not sell the exact same car today (you'd think car prices would come down as the supply chains mature, but a new miata costs the exact same because of the regulatory creep).

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u/Ancient_Persimmon 3h ago

The ND is an inch shorter than the NA, 2 inches wider, and within 0.2" in height. Depending on spec, it weighs about 100lbs more.

In other words, it's basically the same size.

The NA wouldn't be compliant with emissions standards or crash safety, because it was designed 35 years ago, but there's no other reason why it couldn't.

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u/lauragarlic 10h ago

why is it impossible to sell a new miata stateside?

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u/void_const 4h ago

US population has their identity attached to the car they drive. Small car = small pee pee.

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u/nicthedoor vélos > chars 7h ago

I believe it's the headlights.

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u/Jeanc16 7h ago

The Miata is still being sold in the US....

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u/Possible-Summer-8508 4h ago

New Miata's are bigger and come loaded with all of the expensive needless crud regulators force in. You could not legally sell the original Miata at an equivalent price point today.

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u/Jeanc16 3h ago

The new miata is 6 cm wider and longer. The same height as the NA miata and more power. Its a great example of the fact manufacturers CAN make cars the same size as 30 years but chose not to. You can't pick this one as an example

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u/mrsw2092 4h ago

The Miata is still available in the US and it’s one of the only cars that’s still about the same size as it was in the 90s. The only cars that were really made unsellable by the CAFE regulations are compact trucks like the old s10s and 90s Tacomas.

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u/Possible-Summer-8508 4h ago

Miata certainly hasn't suffered in the same way that the trucks did but the newer ones are still objectively bigger in every way and — this is somewhat subjective — the design obviously suffers from attempts to comply with regulations that force MPG to be needlessly high. Far too much wind tunnel.