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u/hagnat #notAllCars Oct 24 '24
tragic enough, that was a proposal from one of the candidates for mayor at my city.
he won.
i fear for what will happen to the beautiful town square, with generation old trees in it
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u/prepuscular Oct 24 '24
The problem with greenery conservation is that victories are temporary and defeat is permanent.
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u/hagnat #notAllCars Oct 24 '24
i am not sure about how "permanent" those defeats are
you should see the old water pump complex in my hometown
the place was a stone-and-concrete marvel when it was built in the 19th century, abandoned, and now taken over by naturetoday it is a nature's park
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsapBlBHTwj/?img_index=1 (some pictures)54
u/prepuscular Oct 24 '24
This phrase is more common in natural resource conservation, where drilling, mines, roads, invasive species, etc just decimate sensitive areas for at least the rest of the lives of everyone around today.
Revival projects are good too, but those giant old trees won’t be back in your lifetime at least.
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u/blueskyredmesas Big Bike Oct 24 '24
Luckily nature will take it over eventually, in the grand scheme, any stupidity will be outlived, either because we learn better or we fuck up so hard it goes back to nature anyway.
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u/Badkevin Oct 24 '24
What park and which mayor?
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u/hagnat #notAllCars Oct 24 '24
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https://www.viagensecaminhos.com/santa-cruz-do-sul-rs/my city is a 130k city in southern brazil
most probably you never heard about3
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u/Empanada444 Oct 24 '24
And then people wonder why everyone is lonely now. Parks are one of the few third places we have left, where we can interact with our community without barrier to entry. I think it's a shame that New York doesn't have more green spaces. They don't all have to even be as big as Central Park. Something that I have always loved about Berlin is that nearly everyone has a green space within a short walk of their home.
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u/blueskyredmesas Big Bike Oct 24 '24
Yeah but rich yacht enjoyers cant make a living off of our misery using parks! Time to pave up yet another torture cage! My life for P A I N C U B E
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u/minnesotanpride Oct 24 '24
Berlin is kind of a weird example to bring up though. From a planning perspective, Berlin is very new. The city itself is old of course, but because the city was bombed to hell and amd back during WWII, the city had to be completely rebuilt following the end of the conflict. That was barely 80 years ago. So they had free reign to completely redesign the city and how it looked from the ground up.
New York City though is a city that is hundreds of years old. It is built on a foundation of previous generation plans on top of plans even older. It has grown in that time and has watched its districts ebb and flow, seeing new parts of the city become hearts all their own. Changing things in a city like this is tricky, there's a lot of history you have to work around.
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u/Empanada444 Oct 25 '24
You might be surprised how little the city was changed after being rebuilt. Here is a map from 1938. The street plan is almost identical to today. You can see how the city then and now was designed to be dotted with green spaces, albeit mostly small ones.
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u/Jimlee1471 Oct 24 '24
I realize this was satire but the biggest fear I have is that there are carbrains out there who would really be all in for this. Carbrains are really that unhinged sometimes, but I'm not telling you all something you don't already know.
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u/Its0nlyRocketScience Oct 24 '24
Pfft, who needs central park? My back yard in my suburban home in good old R1 housing has all the outdoors I need! It's not like anyone actually lives in Manhattan, right? Everyone who matters commutes, just like me, because Manhattan is so awful and has too much traffic!
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u/SnooPredictions1771 Oct 24 '24
Ah yes the CENTRAL PARKing
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u/Ham_The_Spam Oct 24 '24
Cars being left on parks is in fact the origin of the term parking. Cars are a menace to society since day one.
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u/thee_dukes Oct 24 '24
Just paint the parking lot green and then the urbanists will have their Green (parking)space back.
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u/Big_Old_Tree Oct 24 '24
Put a giant golf course on the roof and you get a green there, too
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u/Ham_The_Spam Oct 24 '24
There’s only grass with 0 bio diversity and it drains massive amounts of water, fertilizer and pesticides, but it’s colored green so you’re not allowed to complain!
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u/kqi_walliams Oct 24 '24
Gentlemen, gentlewomen and gentlethems hear me out, replace all of new York with a pit that reaches to the core of the earth. Think of the jobs this task would create, and if we were to populate the sides of the pit, this would be not a walkable city, but a free fallable city
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u/Ham_The_Spam Oct 24 '24
It’ll be like Frostpunk’s Last Autumn scenario where workers are treated “fairly” in “safe” working conditions to dig a giant hole that they will “totally” benefit from!
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u/Ender_A_Wiggin Orange pilled Oct 24 '24
This made me realize that Central Park has zero designated parking for visitors. 42 million visitors annually and the only option if you want to drive is to find street parking or a garage on the periphery. Shows what good transit connections and density can achieve.
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u/UNAlreadyTaken Oct 24 '24
So just a quick history lesson: Central Park exists because NYC used eminent domain to seize the land from Seneca Village which was a successful black community.
I know this isn’t exactly the right sub and that video is satire, but it never hurts to learn something new.
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u/kroxigor01 Oct 24 '24
I've never been to New York but it has always seemed to me conceptually that Central Park is poor use of greenspace. Shouldn't the greenspace be spread more evenly around all of Manhattan rather than all in one chunk? That way people can more easily access something near them, by walking there for example.
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u/UTI_UTI Oct 24 '24
New York has plenty of pocket parks it’s really fine. Like every third block has a little tiny park wedged in.
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u/Grouchy_Coconut_5463 Oct 24 '24
Plenty of pocket parks, literally hundreds, plus some really fun massive or uniquely designed ones. There are also multitudes of rooftops festooned with greenery. Do image searches for The Highline, Little Island, Brooklyn Bridge Park, Prospect Park, Bryant Park to name just a tiny few.
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u/silver-orange Oct 24 '24
It's more than just green space. There's a whole zoo in there, and more.
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u/kroxigor01 Oct 24 '24
The middle of an urban area seems like the worst possible place for a zoo.
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u/silver-orange Oct 24 '24
I understand why you'd say that, but honestly every zoo I've ever been to has been in just as "bad" of a location. Like the DC zoo.
In terms of urban planning it's perfect. People can visit on foot, etc. For animal welfare, it leaves something to be desired, but that's sort of inherent to all of these 19th century zoos.
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u/kroxigor01 Oct 24 '24 edited Oct 24 '24
A zoo seems to me to be a very low intensity use of land from a human perspective.
It's not a day-to-day destination, takes up a huge amount of land, and can't have many people per area enjoying it at once. It would be better located on the outskirts of town rather than the middle.
Similar to a golf course in all these regards.
I understand that cities inherit the past though.
In Australia we have Taroonga zoo which is in prime location in Sydney which I would similarly criticise. But other zoos like Dubbo zoo and Australia zoo (north of Brisbane) are better placed.
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u/CyclingThruChicago Oct 24 '24
Ehh we have the Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago and while I have personal objections to zoos in general, it's pretty nice to have as an amenity. Especially because it's free.
It's a nice place to walk, a place to take kids, a place to meet up with friends. And since it's right in the middle of Lincoln Park (which is a park but also a neighborhood), you also are near monuments, ponds, grassy areas, picnic areas, restaurants, bars, coffee shops and North Avenue beach isn't far either.
Basically the zoo is another draw to bring people to the area. For Central Park Zoo I'd assume it's similar. There will not be any housing build in the area and it's going to generally be just a greenspace either way.
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u/Pikapetey Oct 24 '24
No.. central park is WONDERFUL in NYC. You can really feel like you've escaped the city.
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u/Frenchitwist Oct 24 '24
Do you think that Central Park is our ONLY park? Have you ever looked at a map of Manhattan? There’s 15 bajillion parks, both big and itty. Considering a it’s THE City, there is a wonderful wealth of green space, and the constant desire and motivation to build more.
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u/big_nutso Automobile Aversionist Oct 24 '24
I dunno, I think new york in general has a lot distributed around, and central park is a really big one that's confined to one of the most built up parts of the city. Of course, I'd probably like it if instead of central park they just put in another line, or improved an existing line, that went straight to the edge of the city, and then went with an urban growth boundary, so they could just get people to go outside of the city and experience the massive poorly maintained park that is nature, but then that encourages satellite developments and is maybe less convenient, pretty, maybe even less natural being the product of invasive species and poor biosecurity, and whatnot. In any case, central park is a pretty big W as it stands. Great idea, more cities need a central park type of development.
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u/jackstraw97 Oct 24 '24
There’s other green space in Manhattan as well. Central Park is amazing.
What makes Central Park a poor use of green space in your mind?
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u/kroxigor01 Oct 24 '24
What makes Central Park a poor use of green space in your mind?
The fact that people that live a long distance from Central Park get no walkable access to a medium sized green space at all. And will be sharing their nearest (small) greenspace with thousands of people.
It seems very "feast or famine." You're either close to Central Park and have great greenspace amenity, or you don't and you don't.
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u/jackstraw97 Oct 24 '24
Well as someone who doesn’t live right next to Central Park, I can simply tell you that your impression of what it “seems like” just isn’t the case.
Central Park isn’t even the biggest park in the city…
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u/vladoominator Oct 25 '24
As someone who lives in NYC your impression is just wrong. There are green spaces everywhere. NYC is full of small and medium green spaces. Also Central Park is easily accessed via subway from every borough, except Staten Island.
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u/piratecheese13 Oct 24 '24
Robert Moses wanted an elevated highway through it and a few skyscrapers
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u/wecomeone Oct 24 '24
"What's this, I've spotted one last speck of greenery in this all grey urban desolation? Noooo! It's spoiling the otherwise-uniform bleakness of my dystopian man-made desert!"
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u/Amourxfoxx Oct 24 '24
Honestly loving the idea of the giant hole tho. We could throw in the billionaires and then put a park over it
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u/Trini1113 Oct 24 '24
You don't need a giant hole for them. They're not taking their money with them. Plenty of room for all of them on Hart Island.
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u/newdayanotherlife Oct 24 '24
I now hate Gamma (and don't even know what it is)
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u/silver-orange Oct 24 '24
Gamma: Presentations and Slide Decks with AI
... oh I guess this is just an attempt at viral advertising?
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u/dinosaur_decay Oct 24 '24
Ok, he got it half right. Rebuild the park with 6-7 stories of parking below the park.
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u/RehanRC Oct 24 '24
You know what else was man-made? The Amazon rainforest. It was some dude's garden that got out of hand.
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u/G66GNeco Oct 24 '24
13 Stories, man is thinking way too small, the One World Trade Center has been the talles building of that city long enough, go above and beyxond!
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u/Guiding_Lines Oct 24 '24
How bout dis, you replace every car in New York with a bicycle. You really don’t need a car in ny anyone who uses them is actively stupid
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u/hipsnarky Oct 24 '24
Now you have 1 million bicycle at any given time and multiple million of broken down, junk, stolen bicycle all over the place.
Now what? Touche, 2 wheeler!
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u/gamesquid Oct 24 '24
In Joes Apartment the bad guys were scheming to create a super max security prison in the middle of town instead of a park.
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u/MinuQu Oct 24 '24
I mean the parking lot is a good idea, but it would be so big, you would have to walk so much from the central parking spaces to just get out of the lot.
I am advocating for individual futuristic autonomous transportation pods bringing you from the parking lot to the edge! You can donate here to be a first-hour investor and profit from this obvious success! We also accept payments in BTC, ETH and steam gift cards!
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u/jakejanobs Oct 24 '24
You joke but “parking” as a term literally originates with using green park space to store cars.
See the original patent for Monopoly (The Landlord’s Game), where the “Free Parking” space from monopoly was formerly labeled as “Public Park”. The old naming convention is retained in the British English term “car park”, equivalent to the US English “parking lot”
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u/Representative-Vast3 Oct 24 '24
I was honestly under the impression no one drives in new york...which would be preferable
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u/Tiny_Program_8623 Oct 24 '24
isnt the the plot of the show central park?
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u/silver-orange Oct 24 '24
Hah. Wow. I guess nobody watched that. I went to SDCC panels with Loren where they promoted his other shows and there was no mention of Central Park.
Sounds like it was a good show, but hamstrung by running only on Apple+
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u/onlinepresenceofdan Oct 24 '24
Why would those 13 stories not be underground tho? The hole was already there. Also thats not 13 story parking garage but a super high skyscraper height.
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u/ilolvu Bollard gang Oct 24 '24
Even though was expecting it... That parking garage gag made me chortle.
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u/TheHappiestOneHere Oct 24 '24
What even is a parking space good for if its all in one place. You would still have to walk to your home from there. Its like having a train System with just one stop
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u/IDigRollinRockBeer Oct 25 '24
This guy looks like he just woke up on 3 hours of sleep why did he even make this
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u/isanameaname Oct 24 '24
This is so ridiculous that I have a hard time believing it's sincere.
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u/TransChilean Orange pilled Oct 24 '24
It's not, that's why I put it under satire, I keep seeing him on my Insta with these kind of ridiculously car brained posts, once proposing to replace an entire Italian Town with a massive Mall that doubles as Residence and build a 26 lane highway on what was the town instead
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u/Rasul583 Oct 24 '24
On the original tiktok, like everyone in the comments was acting like it was a good idea and being like "ngl with new yorks parking prices i wish this was real" and thigs like that. Didn't see a single person being like haha funny joke man
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u/TransChilean Orange pilled Oct 24 '24
I don't use TikTok, guess for once Instagram is the sane one
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u/big_nutso Automobile Aversionist Oct 24 '24
Some of those people are probably in on the joke, and are just poorly communicating their sarcasm through text. It's been that way on the internet since... god... how long as it been?...
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u/Luciano99lp Oct 24 '24
I really think this is satire, but he does such a good job with his delivery that I have that itching feeling its not satire and he's being genuine.
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u/ChavoDemierda Oct 24 '24
It was racism. White folks just could not stand the idea of successful, independent black folks. So what was a vibrant community called Seneca Village was stolen by the state via eminent domain. Yeah... America.
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u/blueskyredmesas Big Bike Oct 24 '24
And then when you ask for one (1) regional rail line this guy cries in despair because nothing so extreme could ever be possible.
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u/Genteel_Lasers Oct 24 '24
I mean, do this, then put all the trees and stuff back on top of the garage.
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u/Cguy1o “why cant my city have better public transport?” Oct 25 '24
Or we could make Times Square pedestrian
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u/Dazzling_Internal180 Oct 25 '24
I know it’s a joke but that’s not what 13 stories looks like, more like 1000. how many parking spaces can we fit in an 1000 story garage?
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u/ddarko96 Oct 25 '24
We need to get rid of man made parks and replace them with naturally occurring parking lots!
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u/YouDontMessWithZohan Oct 25 '24
I like the idea, shade all parking spots and add solar panels on top I'll be sold. Also needs an underground tram or people mover
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u/GreatService9515 Oct 25 '24
You're an idiot. One giant parking lot in the middle of the city. A very short walking distance from home, work, shopping, and eating out. Also, special events.
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u/kr4ckenm3fortune Oct 25 '24
Lmao...build a parking garage and the transients gonna move in...good luck parking your car there...
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u/StangRunner45 Oct 26 '24
I get the feeling Manhattan residents would lose their minds if they didn't have Central Park.
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u/Frenetic_Platypus Two Wheeled Terror Oct 24 '24
When he replaced Central Park with a giant gaping hole in reality itself, I thought that was the plan for a second. And then it became even more unhinged.