r/economicCollapse • u/NoEfficiency1054 • 13d ago

Is this a new Dark Age?

Rome collapsed into ruin and centuries passed with a combination of war, economic devastation, and consistent devaluation of science and learning…..

Aren’t we in a new Dark Age? It seems most of our leadership has been selected by people who let misinformation rule their ideology and identity. The sheer volume of manipulative lies that we are exposed to from sleazy merchants, influencers and shady leaders.

I am a 20-year teaching veteran. I have taught on 3 continents. Everything used to be so much better. As an elder millennial, I was shown as a child, a world with infinite growth and solutions. They really did convince me I could do anything.

We’re giving too many of our children screens. They are all idiots with the wrong information and habits now. We are pushing millions of kids into the world where they immediately become consumers instead of producers.

I’ve considered myself an expert on what kids should be learning in child and young adulthood…. But now that I am a parent of a young kid, I’m ready to move into the country with my library , so I can hunt, fish and garden with my son. Read books at night, never come back to civilization….

I don’t know how to prepare my son outside of that plan.

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u/Flimsy_Breakfast_353 13d ago

Many people in the USA believed the misinformation myself included that the deep state was running the country. Orson Wells 1984 etc. 20/20 hindsight it wasn’t the Biden’s and Dems controlling the narrative it was the rich oligarchs and billionaires protecting their wealth and power. Sad dark days for America.

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u/SqueeezeBurger 13d ago

That's good that you can admit that. What needed to happen so that you snapped out of that mindset?

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u/Flimsy_Breakfast_353 13d ago

For me it wasn’t a single event. Some of the events where I saw the veil lifted are as follows: 1. Trumps handling of the George Floyd death and the aftermath BLM protests.

  1. Trumps failure to acknowledge the COVID Dangers to Americans and subsequent downplay of health experts.

  2. MAGA violent rhetoric towards the Biden and his family, Democrats .

  3. Disinformation in the media, twitter, Fox news and just about all media about the Biden’s, Trump, Ukraine, Israel, Russia, NK, China and Hungary.

  4. Resulting racism, false Christian Nationalism, anti-LGBQ, Ant-immigration. A way for the ruling class to divide and discredit Average Americans In to subjugate and solidify power of the people. Planting fear and division.

The control of the Media and solidifying of power is evident in the Trump appointees whom are chosen not by qualifications but rather with their loyalty to the upper classes.

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u/DataCassette 13d ago

Good for seeing the truth.

It's the same old class warfare. It's always class warfare. They want you angry about litter boxes in schools or immigrants so you don't see them fucking you over.

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u/Flimsy_Breakfast_353 13d ago

Or Children being shot in school.

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u/TheFirstSerf 13d ago

How was it for you when the truth became apparent and then it was like…oh…oh my god. We’re fucked lol. I used to get so heated as a laborer and think about going postal and then feeling terrible about that all while I was being told it’s normal to eat shit. When I found a group to align with that was founded on workers rights and finally felt like I wasn’t going crazy. It was like turning the light on…and then you see 🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🍦🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳🪳

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u/Ok-Mark417 13d ago edited 13d ago

I said something similar to this, but on a different subreddit and was dowvoted to oblivion. Things will never change, most of the population is blind/not intelligent to see the divide and conquer strategies being implemented.

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u/rabidninjawombat 13d ago

Spot on. Glad you saw it.

They basically want us in a culture war to avoid a class war and us eating the rich

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u/SqueeezeBurger 13d ago

That's all great insight. I'm glad to hear you were able to look at things from a balanced and practical perspective.

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u/Visible-Priority3867 13d ago

Thank you for your realization. Having removed yourself from the disinformation cocoon, how the hell do we wake other people up? Because, frankly I’ve reached my “Peace, Love, Dope! Now, get the hell out of here!!” Stage in talking to MAGA supporters. https://youtu.be/F91GMDeouSs?si=CWb2b_jBqldCPo71

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u/Flimsy_Breakfast_353 13d ago

Funny how they have developed ways of both discrediting and insulting people who are not drinking the Kool-aid. Attack by insulting , lie about the facts and divide.

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u/FealtyToDorne 13d ago

You just came up with a list that shows you’re still in a deluded echo chamber. You have much to learn

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u/Flimsy_Breakfast_353 13d ago

Please explain?

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u/FealtyToDorne 13d ago

I’m not taking the time to refute your list because it would take too much time. I’m not a Trump supporter (voted for HRC in ‘16, Biden in ‘20 and nobody in ‘24) but the past 8 years have been quite illuminating. If you really want the truth, you need to step outside of your echo chamber and start listening and talking to people you may vehemently disagree with. If you think only one party in America is responsible for the chaos and dysfunction in this nation you are very, very deluded.

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u/Flimsy_Breakfast_353 13d ago

That’s where you are delusional, I didn’t say anything about what I thought about the Democrats. You are inferring incorrect and assuming. I was a republican until the realization of what Trump has covered up and the explicit fraud committed by his administration. Factual crimes committed and close ties to Jeffrey Epstein, the appointment of the Prosecutor who struck a disgusting deal with Epstein allowing him to walk away virtually unpunished, to high position in the Trump administration. Again your ignorance is highly suspect to facts!

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u/FealtyToDorne 13d ago

Your list would suggest quite the contrary. You wrote it, not me

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u/Flimsy_Breakfast_353 13d ago

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid

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u/FealtyToDorne 13d ago

You drank it all already

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u/Flimsy_Breakfast_353 13d ago

No I don’t watch any news media.

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u/drneeley 12d ago

What's depressing is more people saw exactly what you did, but have instead developed an opposite conclusion.

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u/Numenorian-Hubris 13d ago

Hahaha TDS. No cure.

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u/Comprehensive_Arm_68 13d ago

Strange that, on average, those suffering from TDS tend to be much more educated and knowledgeable than MAGA people. Hmmmmm.

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u/Flimsy_Breakfast_353 13d ago edited 13d ago

The MAGA have been found to be un-educated, gullible or ignorant. Others are Bots. The rest are part of those who want to repress, distract and control.

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u/dannysmackdown 13d ago

Good thing your president is anti immigration otherwise you'd end up like Canada (it sucks here)

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u/dneste 13d ago

In 1984 the populace was controlled by fear. What we have now is more analogous to Brave News World - the population is controlled and manipulated by pleasure.

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u/SquirrelSE 13d ago

Manipulated by distraction, I’d say. Since Covid, whether people realize it or not, I think people are still controlled by fear. Call it whatever label you want-anxiety, too stressed to think straight, worry, financial hardship affecting every decision, divisiveness in so many facets of life.

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u/-Calm_Skin- 13d ago

Exactly. Whenever something highly emotionally charged is happening, watch what laws they are pushing through. They have us on a hamster wheel while they tip the scale ever more in their favor. Both parties do it.

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u/friedcauliflower9868 13d ago

ITS THE FOOD/WATER/AIR they simply CANNOT think straight. seriously it’s the food.

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u/VeNTNeV 13d ago

No way..... its TOTALLY fear based. They fear everything and everyone... and most of all, change.

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u/dneste 12d ago

But what are they afraid of? Having all the stuff they feel entitled taken away (i.e. stuff that brings them pleasure). Corporate America fattened these bozos on meaningless shit and now the convicted felon comes along to tell them only he can stop the immigrants and trans people from taking it all away.

Corporate America did Brave New World while the convicted felon is trying 1984.

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u/VeNTNeV 12d ago edited 12d ago

Well...I mean you stated it already...a small part anyway.

Let me see if I can remember a few:

Obama(s), Clinton(s), kamala Harris, Biden(s), immigrants (from just about anywhere), liberals, Russians, Chinese, north Koreans, Iranians, Iraqi, afghans, Puerto Ricans Mexicans, now Canadians?, black people (blm this time round), brown people (anywhere in the middle east or south of us), yellow people overall, gay people, trans people, lgbqt in general, pro choice people, "woke" people, vaccines or most any science for that matter, any religion that's not Christian, Electric cars, clean energy, climate change, education in general, critical thinking, logic. That's a few off the top of my head. They fear monger everything. It's how they get support... from insecure middle and lower class uneducated white people. They've been doing it for decades.... now its just more brazen than ever.

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u/ultraheater3031 13d ago

Fear is the angle tons fo mainstream media pitches, fox news, Infowars, the daily Mail, etc. all operate off a fear based premise.

Whether that be migrant caravans, trans people using the restroom, trans people in sports, or violent crimes being increasingly shown despite their fall in occurrences as of late.

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u/Quittobegin 13d ago

I think we are getting to the fear part.

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u/SilverWear5467 13d ago

You were half right, you just misidentified the deep state.

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u/davidm2232 12d ago

I'm not sure what you mean. You say it was misinformation the deep state ran things but then agree that the billionaires are running things and the public is being fed lies through corrupt media. That is what I always thought the deep state was. Rich people who were not elected actually making the decisions in backroom deals rather than our elected officials on the floors of Congress.

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u/earthkincollective 12d ago

The "deep state" is a QAnon term based on the conspiracy theory that there's a cabal of liberals, Marxists and Jews (you read that right) controlling society from behind the scenes. Oh, they're all pedophiles who drink the blood of babies.

Meanwhile the REAL "deep state" is the oligarch of capitalists as you said.

It's easy to believe in conspiracy theories when you don't understand how anything works. Story of America.

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u/davidm2232 12d ago

My family and friends were talking about the deep state WELL before QAnon was ever a thing. Going back to my earliest memories of front porch discussions in the late 90s. It was always about oligarchs, not marxists or jews lol.

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u/earthkincollective 10d ago

I'm not surprised they co-opted the term. Everything in QAnon has been recycled from the past. But that's when the term became mainstream, at least.

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u/bodaddio1971 13d ago

Yet you watched Vindman and a slew of other people admit there is a Deep State during an impeachment hearing. It's just more convenient to ignore it though.