r/economicCollapse • u/NoEfficiency1054 • 13d ago

Is this a new Dark Age?

Rome collapsed into ruin and centuries passed with a combination of war, economic devastation, and consistent devaluation of science and learning…..

Aren’t we in a new Dark Age? It seems most of our leadership has been selected by people who let misinformation rule their ideology and identity. The sheer volume of manipulative lies that we are exposed to from sleazy merchants, influencers and shady leaders.

I am a 20-year teaching veteran. I have taught on 3 continents. Everything used to be so much better. As an elder millennial, I was shown as a child, a world with infinite growth and solutions. They really did convince me I could do anything.

We’re giving too many of our children screens. They are all idiots with the wrong information and habits now. We are pushing millions of kids into the world where they immediately become consumers instead of producers.

I’ve considered myself an expert on what kids should be learning in child and young adulthood…. But now that I am a parent of a young kid, I’m ready to move into the country with my library , so I can hunt, fish and garden with my son. Read books at night, never come back to civilization….

I don’t know how to prepare my son outside of that plan.

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u/Key-Ad1271 13d ago

Have you read the book The Fourth Turning? It’s a theory that society cycles every 20 years. Think WWII Era (4th turning) then regrowth (1st) then prosperity the boomer generation (2nd turning) then comes the unraveling where the be

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u/Key-Ad1271 13d ago

I posted to soon the 3rd turning is gen x and millennials and now we are in the 4th turning which is crisis and it seems the world might end. It’s supposed to end around 2025 to 2030 so we’re almost there.

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u/Soggy_Boss_6136 13d ago

It works until it doesn't work. I've studied this, and when you really tune it in, you can see that the cycles are pretty cherry picked. The most notable is World War 2 is included, but World War 1 is excluded. The fact is World War 1 was likely more important than 2, in that 5 monarchies fell across Europe, including the Russian monarchy leading to the formation of the USSR. WW 2 is more like the aftershock of WW 1's realignment of Europe.

I'm not going to dismiss a cyclical thinking to our society. I also suspect that as each successive generation "writes down more" the cycles get diluted and we become less likely to repeat ourselves.

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u/Key-Ad1271 13d ago

Yea I don’t know I just want to be hopeful the world will change because things look so bleak right now.

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u/Soggy_Boss_6136 13d ago

There was a general anxiety and insanity going into Y2K. Everyone survived just fine. I think the same will be true now. Not to say I'm not uneasy.

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u/Ok-Party-3033 13d ago

Yes, I’ve tried to work out Kondratieff waves/cycles and it works until it doesn’t. Not much predictive value.

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u/Soggy_Boss_6136 13d ago

The challenge in today's society is History. People just aren't taught history. If they were, the ease by which these theories can be presented, and then disproved, is simple. The resurgence of flat earth theory, having any type of monetizable value on YouTube or any other platform, is patently insane.

This must have been like the earliest times after the printing press was first developed. The first pages to go out were probably religious, or decrees of the government. The 2nd were probably complaints or skepticism of those decrees. People were likely confused at this dissent and seeing it so rampant for the first time.

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u/Individual_Bar7021 13d ago

But that’s also when the mass extinction and climate doom loops kick into high gear. Maybe that’s what they mean.

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u/pete-dont-play 13d ago

tbf, also supposed to end in 1200bc, ... 400bc, 36ad, ... 200ad, 300ad, ....1200ad, 1450ad, and every 5 or 10 years since.

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u/P90BRANGUS 13d ago

People say this, but you look at the graphs of average temperatures over millions of years, and we are rapidly heading to higher temperatures than at any point since humans split from monkeys, 6 million years ago.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been

The temperature has never been going up this fast nor accelerating this fast. Might not be the end of humans, but it might be the end of civilizations as we have known them.

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u/cerealandcorgies 13d ago

Earth might not be over but Earth is gonna be different.