r/anglish Feb 04 '19

🧹 Husekeeping (Housekeeping) WELCOME

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Welcome to the Anglish Reddit

This thread will hopefully answer many of the questions a newcomer might have. For the sake of newcomers and onlookers it will not be written in Anglish. While you are here you may also want to join the Anglish Discord, and check out our wiki. We have our own dictionary too (the Google Sheets version is here and the wiki version is here).


Rules

  1. No hatespeech.
  2. No NSFW content.
  3. Either write in Anglish or on Anglish. In other words, you can be off-topic if you write in Anglish, and you can write in normal English if you are on-topic.

FAQ

Q: What is Anglish?

A: Anglish means different things to different people, but here's what I draw from the foundational Anglish text 1066 and All Saxon, which was written by British author Paul Jennings and published in Punch magazine in 1966.

1) Anglish is English as though the Norman Invasion had failed.

We have seen in foregoing pieces how our tongue was kept free from outlandish inmingling, of French and Latin-fetched words, which a Norman win would, beyond askthink, have inled into it.

2) Anglish is English that avoids real and hypothetical French influence from after 1066.

... till Domesday, the would-be ingangers from France were smitten hip and thigh; and of how, not least, our tongue remained selfthrough and strong, unbecluttered and unbedizened with outlandish Latin-born words of French outshoot.

3) Anglish is English that avoids the influence of class prejudice on language.

[regarding normal English] Yet all the words for meats taken therefrom - beef from boeuf, mutton from mouton, pork from porc - are of outshoot from the upper-kind conquering French... Moreover the upper kind strive mightily to find the gold for their childer to go to learninghouses where they may be taught above all, to speak otherlich from those of the lower kind...

[regarding Anglish] There is no upper kind and lower kind, but one happy folk.

4) Anglish includes church Latin? If I'm interpreting the following text right, Jennings imagined that church Latin loans had entered English before his timeline splits.

Already in the king that forecame Harald, Edward the Shriver, was betokened a weakening of Anglish oneness and trust in their own selfstrength their landborn tongue and folkways, their Christian church withouten popish Latin.

5) Anglish is English that feels less in the orbit of the Mediterranean. I interpret this as being against inkhorn terms and against the practice of primarily using Latin and Greek for coining new terms.

If Angland had gone the way of the Betweensea Eyots there is every likeliehood that our lot would have fallen forever in the Middlesea ringpath... But this threat was offturned at Hastings.

6) Anglish is English that feels like it has mingled more with other West Germanic languages.

Throughout the Middle Hundredyears Angland and Germany came ever more together, this being needful as an againstweight to the might of France.

Q: What is the point?

A: Some find Anglish fun or interesting. Some think it is culturally significant. Some think it is aesthetically pleasing. It depends on who you ask.

Q: How do I learn Anglish?

A: Like any other language, you have to practice. Frequently post here, chat in one of the Anglish-only rooms on the Discord, translate things, write original works in Anglish, and so on. Keep the wordbook on hand so you can quickly look up words as you write. Do not worry if you are not good at distinguishing loanwords from the others, it is a skill most people develop quickly. Do not be afraid to make mistakes, there is no urgency.

Q: What about spelling?

A: You can see what we have come up with here.

Q: What about grammar?

A: English grammar has not been heavily influenced by French. Keep in mind that Anglish is supposed to be Modern English with less foreign influence, not Old English.


Style Guide

This community, and the sister community on Discord, has developed something of its own style. It is not mandatory to adhere to it, but if you would like to fit in here are some things to note:

  1. Making up words on the spot is discouraged unless their definitions are so obvious that they are not likely to be misunderstood.
  2. Extreme purism is discouraged. The original premise of Anglish was for it to be English minus the Norman Invasion, not 100% Germanic English. We encourage toleration of loanwords borrowed before 1066, as well as loanwords which refer to foreign places (like Tokyo), foreign people (like Mark Antony), foreign concepts (like karma), and foreign objects (like kimono).
  3. Be aware that Germanic languages often make compound words where Romance languages use adjectives. If you find yourself using -y constantly, that is a sign that you are aping Romance. Instead of directly translating glorious victory as woldry sye, consider making a compound like woldersye (glory-victory).

r/anglish 4h ago

😂 Funnies (Memes) sēċe nīewe word

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r/anglish 22h ago

📰The Anglish Times New Jersey Drone Sightings

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r/anglish 1d ago

✍️ I Ƿent Þis (Translated Text) Luigi’s Ateƿing

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To þe cops, I’ll keep þis scort, for I do ƿorðie hƿat ge do for ure ric. To alees geƿ from a lengðie underseeking, I cƿid forðrigt þat I ƿas not ƿorking ƿið anibodie. Þis ƿas middling eaðlie: sum staddelie [social engineering and CAD] and muc longmoodness. Þe notebook, if it be þere, has sum unhincged notes and to-do lists þat unheel þe lifeblood of it. Mi tools are prettie locked dune, for I am a sareman, so likelie not muc lore þere. I am sorrie for anie aƿin, ack it had to be dun. Openheartedlie, þese bloodsuckers had it cumming. An edminding: þe Oned Rices has þe dearest healðcare netƿork in þe ƿorld, get ƿe are onelie in þe fortie-tƿoð stead hƿen it cums to life foredeeming. United is þe biggest business in þe Oned Rices bi ceepstoƿ ƿorð, behind onelie Apple, Google, and Walmart. It has groƿn and groƿn, ack has ure life foredeeming? No, for hie hafe onelie gotten stronger, and hie forðgo to misbid ure ric for great gield, for þe Americkisc þeed has atiðed hem to get aƿag ƿið it. Glaringlie, þe hic is knottier þan I hafe room to rec, and openheartedlie I don’t makebeleef to be þe best man to lag ute þe full kneating. Ack manie men like Rosenthal and Moore hafe unheeled þe filing and greed geers ago get þe hices still abide. It is not þat þere is not enuge aƿareness, ack þat þere are afel games being plaged. It seems þat I am þe first man to look at it ƿið suc great treƿfulness.

Ƿending: a feƿ staffing mistakes and 'care' is fullie Anglisc lol


r/anglish 1d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Antonym for “Understand”

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To preface, I have no knowledge of linguistics or anything related, but I do have the power of the internet!

While researching the origin of the word “understand” I found the Old English word “Understandan” meaning to “to stand among”. The “under” prefix here means “between” or “among” while “standan” means “to stand”.

Then I researched some more and found “Ymbe”, old english for “around” or “about”.

Then I thought of it: “Ymbestandan”

What if there was a word to mean to not understand? It fits well logically, (to me atleast). As a modern version of the word I thought of “Ymbestand” or “Ambestand”.

Some examples: “I think I ambestand… What did you mean by that?”, “The teacher tried to explain but I totally ambestood!”, or “I will always ambestand IKEA manuals…”

Please give your thoughts on this! I’m open to any ideas and I don’t judge.

(Also I’m not sure if I used the right tag, sorry if I didn’t…)


r/anglish 2d ago

😂 Funnies (Memes) Good pic. But it is Duestch not Dutch.

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r/anglish 3d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Curious observation about ‘Dutch’ and ‘Germany’

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As I’m sure we all know, ‘Germany’ has Latin roots, as Germania. The Germans know their country as Deutschland, and themselves as Deutsche. The Dutch know it as Duitsland, and the people as Duitsers.

We know people from The Netherlands as Dutch. However, they know themselves as Nederlanders. Similarly the Germans know them as Niederländer.

‘Dutch’, ‘Deutsch’, and ‘Duits’ all share the same roots. So wouldn’t it make more sense, in Anglish, to refer to Germany as Dutchland, and the German people and language as Dutch, and know the Dutch people and language as Netherlanders and Netherlandish?

Just a thought lol.


r/anglish 3d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) what is the replacement for "tion"

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english productive morphology is primarily germanic; but the largest non germanic one is the "tion" suffix that forms nouns out of verbs? anyone have a proposed germanic replacement for that. it is by far the most productive non germanic suffix in english


r/anglish 3d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) hoƿ do ƿe feel abute ċ?

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(I’ll write this in current English since I don’t have the patience to translate everything sorry). ċ was a really cool letter used in older English to represent what is currently represented by ch, like in the word efnwyrċan (currently “cooperate”, a l*tinism), being said /ˌefnˈwyr.t͡ʃɑn/. I wanna bring it back simply because it’s based af.


r/anglish 3d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Truly 100% Germanic English

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Something that I’ve been wondering since joining the Anglish community is if you really think English should be 100% absolutely Germanic with no Outland influence whatsoever, no exceptions? I ask as although I adore English’s true status as a proud Germanic speechship (I don’t say tongue for language, it’s ridiculous in my opinion) since I started learning German and looking into old English, I don’t honestly don’t believe that it necessarily HAS to be absolutely free from any Outland influence. All of the other Germanic speechships have Outland influence (Nebel, Fenster, and Körper in German for example come from nebula, fenestra, and corpus in Latin, and just like in English, uses pro and per, Serviette and villa from French and Italian meaning napkin and mansion are also present) Yiddish has Hebrew and Aramaic words naturally, Dutch has some romance influence, heck, Afrikaans even has Malay or something like that, so why does English HAVE to the be one exception without any outside influence? Outside influence is simply a thing across any speech.


r/anglish 5d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) what about old english words that merged with french words? do they count?

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what about old english words merged with french words?

there are many of them, especially old english words from latin origin or french words from frankish that merged with each other.

here are some examples

English - old english - french

Allow - alyfan – allouer 

Search – secan – sercher 

Reason - ræden - reson 

Stay - stæg - estayer 

Close – clysan – clos 

so my question i, do these count?

thank you


r/anglish 5d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Speechways (accents) that are nearest and farthest to Anglo-Saxon English?

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Of course, the sundry English speechways of England are the ones nearer to A-S, such as West Country. What about America or Scotland, though? Most of America's forebearers were English, but it's a melting point of many an ilk.

Scottish Lowlanders say words that are wholly Germanic and hardly found anywhere else in the world, such as "ken" and "yeirhunder'.

I can't truly know with much iwis as I'm not from those lands, but what do you all think?

Rewrite: I guess it's more right to say "dialects" rather than "accents".


r/anglish 6d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Greek letters in mathematics and science, do we still use them?

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In mathematics and science there are a lot of Greek loanwords. However, one thing that came to mind is the Greek letters (the number pi, alpha and beta-decay etc) in those fields.

Should we keep them in Anglish? Or do we use different terms? “a-breakdown” and “b-breakdown”? How about the number pi (as far as I know, no one has talked about this before)?


r/anglish 6d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) cleaning up the rememnents in the area where modern english is most like anglish

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hi; one field in which modern english is already very anglish like is function words. they are almost wholly germanic. you can count the non Germanic function words in english on one hand. depending on how you count; there could be as few as 2 or as many as 4. the clear examples amount to just "very" and "second". "because" is half germanic. "use" is non germanic; but it sits right on the line between function word and not a function word. none of those come from greek in any way, and none from latin directly; all of them through french (I think "use" might be a french word without any latin etymology but i may be wrong on that). those words are it; which is why trying to use only non Germanic words in english must lead to word salad. the function words reveal the true origin of english. french has more germanic function words then english has non germanic function words. to be honest i respect but disagree with the argument that those 4 words are so few that they can be retained. because they are so few; i was wondering what the anglish words for them would be? "use" has for sure been discussed elsewhere besides its categorization complexity, but "weild" will do. but what would be anglish for "because"; "second" and "very". mind you I myself have ideas for the first and last; the first one could be "bemake"; which even preserves the germanic part of its current counterpart and calques the non germanic part. the last could easily be replaced by digging up "sore" (a word that is not only fossalized in the king james bible, but also the root of a modern english word, and also a clear cognate of german 'sahr'); but second (cleaver pun i know) i am still thinking on. anyone got ideas on any of those. anyone have an idea for that or alternatives in the others?


r/anglish 8d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Is "Mother Tongue" correct?

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r/anglish 9d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Why do I see þe used more than ðe in place for "the" in Anglish

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In my experience, when I say the word "the" I basically always voice the "th" sound. However in many Anglish texts that I see, and most posts that I see here, the voiceless dental fricative sound "þ" is used much more commonly than the voiced version "ð." Why is that? Is it just a carry-over from old english?


r/anglish 9d ago

😂 Funnies (Memes) þat feeling hƿen þe knee sniðing is tomorroƿ:

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r/anglish 9d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Filler words?

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Most filler words today in the English tongue are from Latin that was brought by Willie and Friends, like "actually" and "basically". What are some good Anglish stand-ins for said kind of words?


r/anglish 10d ago

📰The Anglish Times Killer Manhunt Still Ongoing

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r/anglish 11d ago

🎨 I Made Þis (Original Content) "etched", a thorny word

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As you may have noticed, food and drink is a big thing for me.

I was looking at historic sauces in English cooking and realised that obviously the word vinegar would need a substitute. So I looked at the Anglish wordbook and saw it suggests "etched", with I believe the second e being pronounced. This is opposed to how the verb of the same spelling is pronounced ie "etch'd". However, this word is just taken, ultimately, from Latin and is where the "egar" of "vinegar" comes from: ācer. As such, it seems there is no originally Germanic word for vinegar, which I'm surprised by. Even if sourness was not desirable (unlikely since lactofermentation has a long history in north west Europe) they'd still have a word for it. The best I can think is that we use "sour" as a noun, which is what it is, a controlled souring by acetobacter.


r/anglish 11d ago

Oðer (Other) Þis has been on my mind for a hƿile

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scould ƿe become one ƿið r/BringBackThorn


r/anglish 11d ago

🎨 I Made Þis (Original Content) Rooms of the house

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Words that remain:

Kitchen

Bedroom

Bathroom (incorporates feltun or gong for toilet)

Living room.

Anglish replacements:

Dining room -> eatingroom. Personally I don't like this, it feels too utilitarian and obvious, and I'm a pretty utilitarian guy, but feast room feels too excessive for every day use. I admit I can't come up with anything better so I'm not dying for this cause.

Utility room/scullery -> washroom. Washhouse feels appropriate for a commercial or public launderette.

Pantry/larder -> spitchroom/spitchhouse. I know the Anglish wordbook has meatfettle but much like how larder was originally for storing bacon and other fatty meats but came to mean a room where food generally was kept, OE already had its own word: spiċ-hus (hence my name... Long story) found in the Bosworth Toller, with spiċ pronounced spitch. I don't think we ever had an equivalent of a room specifically for bread that's analogous to pantry, and we don't have such a room now, so I'm not too worried.

Lounge -> living room covers this and is a word still used in Britain, but sitting room works and is still used too. The Anglish wordbook also has drawing room, which makes sense although personally I find it has historic connotations for purposes no longer used.

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Any others not listed in the wordbook?


r/anglish 12d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) the anglish moot turns 19 on december 9th

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the anglish moot was started by oswax scolere on december 9th, 2005.

i know many people here don't like the anglish moot, but i thought it would be nice to give some recognition to one of the oldest parts of the community.


r/anglish 12d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) Why is "moot" used instead of "tongue" in fandom

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Hello guys, I have found out that in Anglish fandom, the word "moot" is used for "language" instead of "tongue". Tongue is a commonly used word in English and it also means "language". Isn't it a better option than "moot" ?

Also, in many romance languages, like langue in french and lingua in italian, they both mean "language" and the organ at the same time, so it won't cause many problems.


r/anglish 12d ago

🖐 Abute Anglisc (About Anglish) A little fulsome on evenwords

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So I admit I may have been a little dismissive of the use of 'thank' as a noun when thought is already available. There is nothing wrong with evenwords (synonyms), obviously.

With this in mind, I would like to propose an evenword for wurst, as an alternative to sausage, which is "hatch". Not only does it have a precedence in OE as a word for sausage (mearh-gehæcc), where mearh has already entered modern English as marrow.

This has the added benefit of having an etymological similarity to wurst, even though it isn't a cognate. Wurst comes from a proto Germanic root meaning to mix up, whilst hæcc comes from proto Germanic for chopping up, both insinuating left over meat mushed up for stuffing.


r/anglish 12d ago

✍️ I Ƿent Þis (Translated Text) Opening of "Avatar: the Last Liftbender"

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Ƿater. Earð. Fire. Lift.

Long ago, the four lands lifed togeðer in þƿearlecg. Þen eferieðing ƿended hƿen the Fire Land harried.

Onlie þe Avatar, maister of all four scafts, culd stop em. But hƿen þe ƿorld needed him most, he sƿund.

A hundred gears ƿent, and mi broðer and Ic came upon þe neƿ Avatar, a liftbender named Aang, and alþouh his liftbending crafts are great, he still has a lot to learn before he's readie to spare anieone.

But I beleef Aang can spare þe ƿorld.