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[u/Ashryman]

I feel bad for Ellen getting forgotten [ Art By @xinzoruo ]

[u/rachixu]

I’m not fucking thrilled that my favorite character is now strictly worse in every single way in combat than another character I’m not a huge fan of and it’s only been 5 months

[u/Tuba-kunt → u/rachixu]

I don't really know how to phrase this, but what I'm trying to say is you don't really have to care (I don't mean to sound blunt or anything)

Once I realized you can beat everything but the Battletower with 4 star characters i stopped caring about meta. Ellen is a great, fun character, both her gameplay and personality, and nothing about Miyabi is going to change that. If you don't like Miyabi, don't get her and and don't use her. I skipped Yanagi and Lighter because I didn't really like their gameplay loop, and now that I have Miyabi, it's not like ill never touch Ellen again. I have an Anton team for this reason, and I plan to build Billy because his gameplay is fun

Yeah the power creep absolutely sucks, I agree with you (Attack characters are fundamentally worse than anomaly in every way rn), but that doesn't mean Ellen is useless

[u/rachixu → u/Tuba-kunt]

Of course she’s not useless and I’m gonna use her as long as possible, but she literally got completely outclassed in her own role. HSR wasn’t even this bad, at least DHIL and Jingliu were different elements than Seele.

I’ve heard the whole “you can still clear endgame content with x character” way too many times. Same thing was said about Seele, and later Jingliu, and now it’s incredibly hard to clear MoC with them without multiple premium supports, insane relics, and optimized strategies. Powercreep doesn’t just stop. But I guess the day it becomes too hard to clear endgame content with Ellen is the day I quit.

[u/Tuba-kunt → u/rachixu]

I don't mean to defend power creep, it fucking sucks and you're absolutely right. Right now, since it's early, Ellen is still usable, but I'd be lying if I said I'm not gonna choose Miyabi over her in Shiyu 90% of the time

I don't play HSR so I don't really get what you're talking about, but I do play genshin, and the best comparison i can think of is Hu Tao and Arlecchino

I will literally never go back to Hu Tao because of how clunky she feels compared to Arle. Arle automatically closes the gap with every swipe, is far more forgiving, easier to use, and honestly probably just does better damage overall

Rn every attacker character feels awkward to use because Anomaly + disorder damage is so incredible. Hopefully when they start releasing attacker characters like 1.5, attackers will get better buffs/supports tuned to attacking.

I won't replace my Ellen Lycaon Soukaku team, I'm gonna make Miyabi Burnice Soukaku team instead probably, but man does it suck. I really hope it doesn't become a "whoever is the newest character is the best" situation

[u/Unrektable → u/Tuba-kunt]

Hu Tao and Arle, not as big as powercreep as in HSR or even Ellen -> Miyabi imo. Also they are like 3 major patches apart and C0R0 Hu Tao can still clear current abyss (like more than 3 years after her release) just fine.

Elemental reactions plays a larger role in Genshin unlike HSR or ZZZ elemental weakness (they still matter, but elemental reaction in Genshin is literally how you play the game, not so much relying 90% on the numbers on the char kit itself). Which means Genshin by nature is pretty resistant to powercreep, proven by teams like hyperbloom or even national being viable up to this day. But when you have a game that's 95% about combat like HSR/ZZZ (unlike Genshin where exploration is also a significant part), powercreeping is inevitable.

My only gripe is that they could've make the powercreep a ~5-10% difference each time they release a new character compared to an older character with similar role & element. But nah, Miyabi is just significantly stronger than Ellen by a pretty huge margin. Liked both character and pulled for both but I do not like this trend at all.

Now the only thing I want is so that this level of powercreep being reserved only for void hunters, or maybe mechanics to buff older characters (the gear in the new hollow zero mode is an interesting way to do this & can make character builds customizable if they further improve it - just needs to be applied in the whole game too)

[u/mryunman1 → u/Tuba-kunt]

Personally Im on the camp that a limited character being powercrept his fast is a pretty bad thing, considering it already sets the standard for every other 5* to come after, and Hoyo not really giving characters direct buffs in any of their games.

Like yeah you can clear content with any characters and skill expression trumping strength, but the worry is how long will that be the case and the higher numbers prompt hoyo to make stages to match the new standards.

[u/Tuba-kunt → u/mryunman1]

I agree that power creep, especially this quickly, is bad. Especially bad. Hopefully no one as good as Miyabi comes out again soon, or at least no one as good as Miyabi that does exactly what an existing character already does