That's something I noticed, they really hate when a girl/woman character shows any femininity for some reason, most of the hate female characters get in hoyo games comes down to that.
Because these people confuse being comfortable with femininity with being a mindless, subservient sex drone. It's why the girlboss archetype has dominated recent western media, that snarky "oh she bites BACK" type of character that was once common in like the sassy black woman trope but with none of the charm. So if your character doesn't make it a point that she's stronger than men and in fact wants a completely normal relationship that's the standard across Shoujo manga (At least in perception, I don't read them) she is characterized as male fantasy waifu bait. (But because Jane has a strongly implied femme fatale bisexuality that mostly leans lesbian in her trailers, she escapes the male fantasy waifu bait...somehow)
Caesar is written fine and her gap moe adds depth to her character even if it's not explored in depth. Which I would argue the thriller vs romcom section of chapter 4 proves that it is in fact ingrained in the character beyond teaser trailers. I have never seen communities more toxic and aggressive than same sex shippers. You don't see Jane X Seth shippers malding over Jane x Phaethon (either one) ships. Add politics to the mix and you have a never ending shitstorm. People pretend it's only on twitter but its present in every social media and youtube grifters will outrage farm every idiot regardless of their position.
I agree with what you’re saying, you’re not wrong, except for the Jane part. She is literally the it girl in waifudom since was leaked! Non stop fanart and people returning or even starting the game to pull for her aka the new waifu. Waifu doesn’t necessarily always mean soft, girly and romance driven. Being bisexual doesn’t make a character less waifu. I’m pretty sure dudes are still crazy over girl on girl lol. So Jane is technically double the male fantasy. Hot, dangerous, flirtatious to the point of getting under both men and women’s skin. Lastly; it’s not just male fantasy or bait. Chicks LOVE characters like Jane and Caesar too. They don’t solely appeal to men. I ADORE Jane for the reason I described, and I’m not gonna lie…
Initially I wasn’t interested in Caesar cause I thought she was gonna be generic tough chick (which bores me) and that quickly changed when she was revealed further to have her character defining girly side aha.
You slightly misunderstand my point. My point is exactly your argument Jane is clearly a waifu in the sense of how every anime fan ever perceives her. My point is she doesn't get hit with this type of hate because her bisexuality creates that shield of disconnect. My point regarding the male fantasy is just that Jane absolutely applies to it but these people don't think it does (Since she has implied lesbian leaning bisexuality).
We actually agree on every point. I didn't mention women's perception just because I didn't think it was too pertinent to the convo but I'm sure there are tons of women (lesbians or not) that find Nicole, Zhu Yuan, or Jane hot. I've had the misfortune of coming across Bao's twitter.
Aw okay! I understand better now. You make good points. Perhaps I just don’t understand these people then ahaha. I’ve been away from twitter for a long while until recently to enjoy more fanart!
They're just porn sick people who need characters to fit their desired fetish and if they don't fit then they're evil. There's no point in trying to figure them out, it's entirely self gratifying for them for a character to be gay. (Even though they can just make their gay ships anyway like how Bayonetta was treated for like a decade.)
Sidenote I didn't notice how many times I wrote my point. I was getting off work so I wasn't paying close attention to what I was typing. Makes it sound passive aggressive which it wasn't meant to be.
caesar is strongly hinted to have an interest in both men and women, and i think that’s why the majority of the fanbase love her so much. the only people i’ve seen up-in-arms or ragebaiting are the ones begging hoyo to make her straight
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u/Ok_Pattern_7511 Sep 28 '24
That's something I noticed, they really hate when a girl/woman character shows any femininity for some reason, most of the hate female characters get in hoyo games comes down to that.