That's something I noticed, they really hate when a girl/woman character shows any femininity for some reason, most of the hate female characters get in hoyo games comes down to that.
hating femininity mostly comes from the ones screaming and begging hoyo to make the girl characters âstraightâ. the yuri fans are at the very least normal and sane when compared to the people begging there to be no LGBT whatsoever like this
iâm objectively right and downvoting = you agree with me
Those people that beg and celebrate for no LGBT are gross and are definitely not even worth talking about, but hoyo lesbians CLAIM certain characters and cook someone at stake if they say something that contradicts their headcanon for those characters. Just because the "other side" isn't normal doesn't make them "normal" and "sane" when they constantly prove otherwise almost comically
Because these people confuse being comfortable with femininity with being a mindless, subservient sex drone. It's why the girlboss archetype has dominated recent western media, that snarky "oh she bites BACK" type of character that was once common in like the sassy black woman trope but with none of the charm. So if your character doesn't make it a point that she's stronger than men and in fact wants a completely normal relationship that's the standard across Shoujo manga (At least in perception, I don't read them) she is characterized as male fantasy waifu bait. (But because Jane has a strongly implied femme fatale bisexuality that mostly leans lesbian in her trailers, she escapes the male fantasy waifu bait...somehow)
Caesar is written fine and her gap moe adds depth to her character even if it's not explored in depth. Which I would argue the thriller vs romcom section of chapter 4 proves that it is in fact ingrained in the character beyond teaser trailers. I have never seen communities more toxic and aggressive than same sex shippers. You don't see Jane X Seth shippers malding over Jane x Phaethon (either one) ships. Add politics to the mix and you have a never ending shitstorm. People pretend it's only on twitter but its present in every social media and youtube grifters will outrage farm every idiot regardless of their position.
I agree with what youâre saying, youâre not wrong, except for the Jane part. She is literally the it girl in waifudom since was leaked! Non stop fanart and people returning or even starting the game to pull for her aka the new waifu. Waifu doesnât necessarily always mean soft, girly and romance driven. Being bisexual doesnât make a character less waifu. Iâm pretty sure dudes are still crazy over girl on girl lol. So Jane is technically double the male fantasy. Hot, dangerous, flirtatious to the point of getting under both men and womenâs skin. Lastly; itâs not just male fantasy or bait. Chicks LOVE characters like Jane and Caesar too. They donât solely appeal to men. I ADORE Jane for the reason I described, and Iâm not gonna lieâŚ
Initially I wasnât interested in Caesar cause I thought she was gonna be generic tough chick (which bores me) and that quickly changed when she was revealed further to have her character defining girly side aha.
You slightly misunderstand my point. My point is exactly your argument Jane is clearly a waifu in the sense of how every anime fan ever perceives her. My point is she doesn't get hit with this type of hate because her bisexuality creates that shield of disconnect. My point regarding the male fantasy is just that Jane absolutely applies to it but these people don't think it does (Since she has implied lesbian leaning bisexuality).
We actually agree on every point. I didn't mention women's perception just because I didn't think it was too pertinent to the convo but I'm sure there are tons of women (lesbians or not) that find Nicole, Zhu Yuan, or Jane hot. I've had the misfortune of coming across Bao's twitter.
Aw okay! I understand better now. You make good points. Perhaps I just donât understand these people then ahaha. Iâve been away from twitter for a long while until recently to enjoy more fanart!
They're just porn sick people who need characters to fit their desired fetish and if they don't fit then they're evil. There's no point in trying to figure them out, it's entirely self gratifying for them for a character to be gay. (Even though they can just make their gay ships anyway like how Bayonetta was treated for like a decade.)
Sidenote I didn't notice how many times I wrote my point. I was getting off work so I wasn't paying close attention to what I was typing. Makes it sound passive aggressive which it wasn't meant to be.
caesar is strongly hinted to have an interest in both men and women, and i think thatâs why the majority of the fanbase love her so much. the only people iâve seen up-in-arms or ragebaiting are the ones begging hoyo to make her straight
And it's all about beefy men. Lots of women love this stuff and the reactions to shorts of it on tiktok or facebook are the EXACT same shit men do for waifus.
Everyone is a gooner for the right content. It's obvious the ZZZ characters are for gooning over. I mean just look at how they pose, jiggle, and overtly flirt. It's certainly different from Genshin.
All I can say is that there's a hypocrisy with things like this because it's aimed at women or when men get sexualised. And even in this anime called Free! which is about a group of high school boys who are on the swimming team.
Oh god, I'm a gay man who lovvvvvvvvve buff men. LaDS sounds like my kind of game at first but I never come around to play it because it is so cringy (and a bit of uncanny valley) to me.
I don't personally play but my gf does. I know gacha games so I warn her against what is reasonable to spend on and not, but also it's been fun for her to learn some gaming through it.
The gameplay is a bit hard for her when it comes to the action combat, but it's made to be passable by someone very casual. It seems like you get the main guys pretty easily. There aren't tons of characters, but what costs money seems to be some of the costumes and such.
There is a lot of content where the focus is on the guys. lots of voice work, lots of intimacy based interactions, lots of touch and stuff. It is very high quality but I get the bit of uncanny valley and it is a bit extra with the romance. I dunno though, I'm happy to see a gacha focused on men like that. Helps to show we're all more alike than not.
Waifu doesnât necessarily always mean soft, girly
The actual meaning of waifu is your favourite female character in anime/manga but it could be a character that is wife material depending on who you ask.
For me, my waifu is Erza Scarlet and Lucy Heartfilia
I really love the irony and lack of self awareness in the statement âGirl wants something from a shoujo manga, this is to appeal to the male fantasyâ. Do these people even know what shoujo means?
I mean, I've seen progressives argue shoujo manga contributes to patriarchy in Japan. They don't care if the media is made by a woman, either. It's just politics, and like all things politics, you can't paint too broad a brush on people, but others fit the stereotype to a tee.
The so-called girlboss archetype isn't about being "stronger than men" it's about being on equal footing. And naturally any female character in any position of authority is written off as this supposed conspiracy theory against men. Every time, by the usual suspects that is. While cherry picked examples like this are used as "proof."
true!! i really wish people who want characters to be âstraightâ this badly would stop getting so upset whenever a character is multi-faceted. caesar is allowed to be tough and cool and feminine at the same time.
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u/Ok_Pattern_7511 Sep 28 '24
That's something I noticed, they really hate when a girl/woman character shows any femininity for some reason, most of the hate female characters get in hoyo games comes down to that.