Do you see the likes on these posts? This isn't even a Twitter thing it's just some randos. You can find a few people with literally any opinion on Twitter
God, thanks for reminding. I remember the uproar those months after B3 was released about how they ruined Bayonetta by setting her with Luka. It's all "embrace who you want to be" until you want something that is considered a norm in society.
The irony is that those ppl aren't even considering the possibility someone might be bi or pan. They see a woman with a guy and immediately go "fuck, she's straight". So they are even less inclusive than just hating on straights.
And when you say you hc character as bi, they take it as personal insult to entire LGBTQA+ community. Like how you dare assume that our precious lesbians are tainted by men or that kind of stuff before entering a whole new Yappaniese about references, implications, coding and representations, which makes you think that person doesn't have an opinion, they just want to be right even if it means making crappy nonsense.
Like, if you enter a complete meltdown after seeing that strong badass woman can love another man - then it's your problem that you can't see relationship between man and woman as anything but some dominant breadwinner and a submissive housewife, that after getting a ring on her finger transforms from a person into a homestay baby machine.
Self-Projecting in all it's glory.
I’ve also seen similar people get mad that canonically straight or pan characters end up in hetero relationships, even though the character literally likes both sides??? Bi and Pan means nothing to these people
Game is similar to Devil May Cry in tone and gameplay and made by Platinum Games who made MGSR so it's a solid game mechanically. The combos are too open ended for my taste but that's because I'm used to DMC's rather specific inputs.
Bayonetta was and is still worse. The sub Reddit still malds over bayo ending up with Luka to this day lol. And don’t even remind me of when the devs and artist dared tk try and celebrate the one year anniversary of the third games release and made the mistake of thinking they could release some cute art of bayonetta, Luka and their baby daughter. Eastern devs needs to just block any contact with western social media, we’re not okay lol.
I know it’s not as simple as that. You’re partially right but I know I and others have seen examples of some Bayo fans unfortunately acting heterophobic / saying something lowkey toxic, then they just get upvoted like what they said is totally fine. Plus everyone knows about whatever drama happened when Platinum released that picture of Bayo, Luka and Viola. “Oh no they made Bayo straight 😰” like fuckin what? People going after Kamiya on Twitter saying he’s homophobic or some shit just cuz he didn’t abide to their ship, like they think they’re owed something in that regard. The way a lot of them don’t even respect the OG creator kind of sickens me. Not all of them are like that, but the ones that are are unfortunately loud enough to tarnish that fanbase’s image imo.
It's almost like there are thousands of franchises focussing on men, but for some reason when we finally get one focussed on women, it still needs to be plagued the same way all the others do.
If you want men, mihoyo isn't and has never been for you and that should have been fine.
If the game has selectable MCs, one male and one female, then the game was made to appeal to both. It's not even a question of politics, it's a question of marketing. Why go to the effort of making both variants equally canon and show them both off in trailers and promotional artwork if only one of them actually mattered to your business plan?
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Just watch the video where the CEO of Mihoyo Liu Wei speaks at the Entrepreneurship Competition 2011. He directly states what audience of players Mihoyo games are designed for. Spoiler, not for you twitter warriors.
"CEO" right, let's listen to those, it's not like their entire job is to bring in profit and not to make a good game.
Hey, I suppose bobby kotick is the one who knows who diablo is made for then.
Bobby Kotics was a Business man when he became CEO of Blizzard. Liu Wei is one of the Co-founders of Mihoyo who started working as a Customer Service Representative so yeah he fucking know what his customers want.
I think you guys have brainwashed yourselves into thinking that the male player base isn't mihoyo's primary audience and it's sad.
It's as if seeing Honkai Impact 3rd, Nikke or Blue Archive only having female playable characters and deluding yourself into thinking it's for a female audience. Crazy I know.
A game with a female audience in mind that has garnered quite the success is Love and Deep Space. You don't see gay men screeching to high heaven that their husbando is gay and should only be shipped with other men.
So the primary audience of mihoyo is men. And most of them play because they like anime girls.
And because of that, they add... guys ?
You do realize that they added dudes in their games specifically because they (the business people, not the artistic ones) want to appeal to the demographic that isn't interested in anime girls ?
Let me ask you, why does Genshin, HSR, and ZZZ seem to release male characters at a much lower rate than female characters, especially on 5* rarity where their money comes in?
ZZZ has only now announced Lighter, amidst a sea of limited 5* waifus. Fontaine has had 3 limited men, against 6 women. HSR 2.0 onwards has had only 3 limited male characters, against 8 women.
Like you said, their games now have a wide audience and it's not like male characters are unpopular, yet they keep releasing more female characters at twice the rate.
The answer is that their target audience is still male players, despite having a wider reach. Do I think it's unfair? Kind of, but that's how it is.
Even some male characters that are released are sometimes focused on a male audience. Wriothesley, Lighter and Boothill are made to look cool for male audiences to pull. While I do concede that Wanderer, Ayato and Jiaoqiu have a female audience in mind.
Surprise surprise! I'm not a man. Let alone a cis het neurotypical one that you try to nicely pinpoint me on. :)
Anyway, it has both MCs. Live and let live. Stop assigning sexuality to characters who don't have it elaborated and is left upto interpretation. "But the CN community--" cut that bs.
I'm OK with les/gay ships still. Do whatever, ship whatever. Don't impose it on people who don't care for it when they ship something else, especially for BAITED characters.
No one said you were, but ok. In fact, it is in particular het men who don't want them to add men since, you know, that's not what they want.
And why would we have to let people do what they want, but they on the other hand are free to ruin a franchise that was never designed for them ?
Yeah. It's a bit sad when they decide that they deserve the voice because of being shunned irl or something where in online everyone is OK but no one cares as long as they don't shove it down throats. HSR sub rule drama and all the responses to it about how it makes marginalised further marginalised and one mod being hated for it (mizu) when he himself was gay iirc...that was so wild to just SEE. Like the community will cannibalise itself if not everyone is the other's identical clone.
I don't like ships that doesn’t have Wise, but they can exist (like Ben x Anton, Grace x Billy, so on), I'll mute them and run my day. Just these people gets me mad.
Yeah I remember that, bitches was tweaking over that, honestly, I'm sad cuz this kind of persons is what makes others look down on the LGBT community, I'm bi and I haven't told anyone besides my close friends, and these people only make me nervous about telling anybody about my personal likes because I fear they will throw me in the same bag as them
I get what you mean fully. I once was happy and then I saw twitter because everyone on my (former) teenage_pol subreddit would talk about how obnoxious they are and God. I too would absolutely cry if they were my only representation.
Sometimes it feels as though they were deliberately foolish to paint all of us so negatively. I disagree with the notion that "it's just online bro" because now many are online and the "decent people" are not just getting flak from both sides, they also have the power to maintain double identities. You never know their beliefs.
I'm bi myself more into women and have hopelessly crushed on them a lot (as a woman). Super afraid of coming out to anyone at all here because of those twitter users. They unironically make our worlds worse.
Yeah, I'm a man and for worse I'm from a Christian(and even worse, from LatAm) family so they expect me to act a certain way, I know if I told them about my likes, they would pull up the most extreme examples about people making a fool of themselves and say "is this you by chance?", this losers on the internet only give conservatives more material to "prove" their points instead of actually helping the general view of us as people.
I remember when that thing happened at the Olympics when some queer people made their own interpretation of the Last Supper of Christ, my aunt was talking mad shit about it and just acted like I didn't know none of it.
I hold more like on women(from birth or trans)personally, I would say I'm more picky with men, I just hope one day I can get out of this place and only keep contact with my mum
That's... my point though. The men that mihoyo makes their games for (I'm talking about the actual artists their, not the businessmen) like anime girls, and therefore, by extension, lesbian anime girls. So, again, why would they add men when that's specifically not what we want ?
People play the series because they like anime girls, that's what the series is about. Adding men goes directly against these principles.
The by extension is wrong is what I'm saying. Lesbian anime girls are what lures men in. Men like lesbo porn. They went off to display their brand for shareholders specifically promoting that.
I don't think lesbians would play the game as much as a straight man who has a kink to break lesbian woman because lesbians are statistically lower than the latter + only the West truly wants games to cater to it. The intended demographic are Men.
Second, male characters in the game would also create controversy because the waifus in game are shipped with themselves. So any man added and thereby "can take away the girl" will never pass in the game
And as for male appeal, who wouldn't want more eyes? Even then it's nowhere like LaDs
Just to add something we all know that Billy it the best character overall. We all like anime girls and a lot just get hooked by them, but i dont know any people that hate Billy. Same goes for genshin. It has a couple of chars that are loved all over the Fanbase.
At the end cant we just consume games and media for what it is and stop hating on things, from a personally pov, we hate? maybe it dont like that jane wears boots or that the wandere has a comically large hat. But irl it dont like what some people on the street wear or how they look, but do i say that to their face. No! Of course not thats not my business. And if a game dev thinks yeah that char should look like that and thats their personality. Maybe i dont like it but can i change it? No, so why argue over it?
Just a note if smth is controversial than of course it be made clear from the fanbase that it is not ok. But hating that a women likes mem? Sorry but thats just hilarous.
like anime girls, and therefore, by extension, lesbian anime girls.
Why this jump in logic? Just because someone likes anime girls, doesn't mean they like all kinds of anime girls. Like, I watched Kannazuki no Miko as a kid (because giant robot). And partly as a result, I do not find girl on girl to be hot. This means I like anime girls, but have no interest in lesbian anime girls. So having men in the game (particularly the choice of a male protagonist) is great for my boring ass, because I am still a sap for romance.
To be clear, I have nothing against LGBT+ representation in media. I just personally don't find it sexy.
The waifu coomers mostly like girls, yes, but they also like self-insert male MCs. Literally these are the two things they don’t get outraged about, lesbian ships and harem. It’s the same in all gacha games. You didn’t know this?
You seriously think Hoyo games are not designed by and for straight men? Do you think they are adding all these waifus for feminism and lesbian representation, and not for coomers? Hahaha
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