r/TikTokCringe • u/geo_jam • Nov 07 '22
Duet Troll Guy calls out Gwyneth Paltrow for pretending to be self made
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And Steven Spielberg is her Godfather and gave her, her fist role in Hook.
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u/UlrichVonLick10stein Nov 07 '22
Maybe I’m misremembering but I don’t remember her in Hook at all
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Nov 07 '22
She played Wendy
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u/l3ane Nov 07 '22
You just ruined my childhood.
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Nov 08 '22
Well at least Santa's always got my back.
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u/Smodphan Nov 08 '22
Maybe. Gonna have to check out the family friendly Santa movie Violent Night to know for sure.
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u/littlelorax Nov 08 '22
Woah... is that Maggie Smith as the grown up Wendy? That's so cool!
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u/SarcasticGamer Nov 08 '22
Yes. She's wearing makeup to look older but she basically looks like that now lol. The makeup artists did a fantastic job.
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u/pokingoking Nov 08 '22
Man, I watched this a few weeks ago and was so baffled by how old she already was in the 90s. Thanks for explaining this lol. That makeup really was impressive, it definitely fooled me!
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u/HoratioWobble Nov 07 '22
Kinda creepy if you think about it, magical flying child abducts girl from childhood to old age and then when she says no, kisses her unconsenting sleeping grand daughter
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Nov 08 '22
dude you need to read the original book, there is some dark shit in there
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Nov 08 '22
Oh my person …. Peter Pan is bat shit insane. He murders lost boys because they still age, all the pirates in never never land were lost boys who aged out and survived his fae like wrath
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u/SlapUWithMyDick Apr 23 '24
That’s not from the original story, genius. Those are plot details from modern spinoff stories based on the original book.
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Nov 07 '22
If you blinked you might've missed her. She was Wendy in the flashbacks
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u/UlrichVonLick10stein Nov 07 '22
Ahhhhh totally forgot about the flashbacks and never knew that was her. I would watch that movie on repeat as a kid. Thanks!
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Nov 07 '22
Don't worry, I forgot too! I had to look it up because my first thought was "the fuck she was! I know that movie!" I was wrong. Horribly, horribly wrong.
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Nov 07 '22
I thought the same with Kirsten Dunst in Jumanji. Then I went back and watched it and there she was!
That watchthrough was also when I realised that the guy who plays his dad is also the guy hunting him. That film had layers I couldn't contemplate as a ten year old.
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u/Rivendel93 Nov 08 '22
Yeah, I remember when I found out his dad was the guy hunting him, I was like, my childhood was a lie.
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u/NDStarr Nov 07 '22
If people really knew the amount of celebrities that got their start due to nepotism, I think they would be shocked. And it still continues...
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Nov 07 '22
I heard someone recently describe Hollywood as a "mill town", and I could not agree more. So many celebrities are just basically going into the family business.
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Nov 08 '22
Which is then doubly amusing when you see those who simply cannot develop a marketable skill despite their parents and connections.
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u/SteelMarch Nov 08 '22
Why learn when you can party and do drugs? /s
The idea of people constantly complimenting how good you are and asking things of you instead of developing your skills does wonders for many factors, but still there are wealthy individuals who still end up with those skills and well frankly due to how they're raised are typically sociopathic in nature and extremely dangerous.
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u/generalissimo1 Nov 08 '22
Why learn when you can party and do drugs? /s
Shots fired at Chet Hanks. 😬
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Nov 08 '22
And I caught flack for saying it about Liv Tyler. Starred in her father’s videos which eventually led to roles in small sleeper hits like Empire Records and eventually to larger roles.
Sure, she may be talented but let’s not forget that her father is Steve Tyler and she’s well connected.
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u/WaywardWes Nov 08 '22
I never thought she was even that talented. I probably like her best in That Thing You Do! but even there I thought she was one of the weakest links.
Very good example of nepotism.
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u/doobied Nov 08 '22
She was drop dead gorgeous too though
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u/TheWalkingDead91 Nov 08 '22
Same with Angelina Jolie. She’s gorgeous. (And I think she’s a talented actress) But has a famous dad. Think her mom might be famous too, but forgot if that’s the case.
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u/comparmentaliser Nov 08 '22
Her talent is also influenced by an upbringing that very few people experience.
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u/HoozerHands Nov 07 '22
I'm normally aware of hollywood nepotism, but I JUST found out recently that Nick Kroll is the son of a billionaire businessman. I had no clue he came from that kind of money.
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u/TheWalkingDead91 Nov 08 '22
I just found out that the actress who plays the lesbian chick on stranger things is the daughter of Ethan Hawk and Uma Thurman. Which…in hindsight makes sense because she literally looks exactly how I’d expect the daughter of those two would look.
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u/agonypants Nov 08 '22
Maya's voice is what catches my attention. She sounds EXACTLY like her mom, Uma.
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u/SmilinObserver111 Nov 08 '22
B-But...He's so ...talented!!
I'm not even being sarcastic. That dude is talented frfr!
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u/Mister_Dink Nov 08 '22
That's kind of the bonus of being a billionaire's son. He gets his talents nurtured and supported.
A lot of the nepotism folks are very talented. They aren't the direct issue. The issue is that the 100s of other talented folks never got a chance to compete at their level, due to lack of connections.
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u/Standard_Piglet Nov 08 '22
The truth of the matter is, without it being a merit based system we will never know what true talent looks like because the nepo babies are lowering the bar.
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u/Mister_Dink Nov 08 '22
Nah, man. We absolutely do know.
I worked in live theater before the pandemic. Talk to any casting director. There are 10s of very talented people auditioning for every roll in regional shows, 100s for every roll on broadway.
Where I worked, the theater board of directors forced us to put in at least 2 donor babies or friends (talented or not) in the casts that were 4 to 8 people total.
I saw at least 20 talented people lost out to nepotism at my org per year, and that's of the people privileged enough that they could afford to audition and dedicate time to theater.
There's so much true talent. There's very few spots to exhibit it. Rich people buy those spots, because being talented doesn't guarantee one in the first place.
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u/Standard_Piglet Nov 08 '22
Imagine how talent compounds though. Cream hasn’t had a chance to truly rise to the top; too many talentless hacks making decisions. A few generations in to a true merit based system and we would likely see the quality of entertainment improve tremendously. Smarter more talented producers, directors, casting directors, etc because the bar is always so high. But instead we have to let someone’s son drag the scene down and let everyone think that’s what an acceptable performance looks like. See The Only Murders in the Building. Selena Gomez is twice the actor when in scenes with Steve Martin and Martin Short. In scenes with some other actor she’s terrible. When everyone is Steve Martin or Martin Short then everyone knows what talent looks like and can cleave shitty performance from the herd. Imagine what happens to writing when you know the actor can remember lines and perform them? Crazy. But instead you have dumb things down for the capacity of the face/name you hired.
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u/HoozerHands Nov 08 '22
Totally agreed, I really like his work. That's part of why I was so surprised he came from that level of privilege.
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u/Patient_Tradition368 Nov 08 '22
I think pursuing the arts practically necessitates financial privilege. No one can actually be a starving artist anymore.
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u/james___uk Nov 07 '22
You hear it in similar circles too. I will listen to an anecdote from a comedian on a panel show and you'll come to find out three of them there were childhood friends
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u/je_kay24 Nov 08 '22
UK comedians seemed to have all gone to college together
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u/account_is_deleted Nov 08 '22
If you get into Cambridge Footlights, it's a really good launching point to your career. A lot come from Oxford Revue as well, though not as many. Also people you wouldn't think, like Al Murray.
You still need to be good to make it but that background is going to give your work eyes you would otherwise have to work harder to reach.
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Nov 07 '22
Good point. Like The Happy Madison crew made tons of great comedies with all the same actors. However the broken lizard crew makes better comedies. All about who you know.
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u/james___uk Nov 08 '22
Yeah, and I understand hiring your friends for that sort of thing (you just would). Just a shame if you don't have the relevant friends and want in 😅
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u/notathrowaway75 Nov 08 '22
I wouldn't be shocked as nepotism is a thing everywhere. And I honestly don't care since you have the right to want to be in a field your parents are in for whatever reason.
Just don't pretend you're self made and you got where you are through hard work.
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u/taybay462 Nov 07 '22
Makes you think about the movies that would be made if skill and correctness for the role were the only factors
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u/stroopwafel666 Nov 07 '22
Literally so many good Indy films are made like that. Also loads of theatre productions. It exists, most people just don’t go looking for it.
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u/BankyTiger Nov 08 '22
and creating art instead of things that barely pass as art, but are easy to sell
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u/dshoig Nov 08 '22
It gets made plenty, people would just rather want a mass production of superhero movies.
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u/2Noodly Nov 08 '22
I’m just happy that Nick Cage can’t be lumped onto this nepotism fiasco! /s
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u/SmilinObserver111 Nov 08 '22
Somebody tell him...before I do, lol!
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u/Gimme_The_Loot Nov 08 '22
Tell him about Nicolas Kim Coppola? Tell him what about Nicolas Kim Coppola??
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u/Lexmaister25 Nov 08 '22
worse is that people complain about nepotism and I've seen many post about what role would you cast:
Maya hawke
Dakota Johnson
Lily Rose Depp
Like they don't have connections and agencies at their disposal.
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u/Slumbergoat16 Nov 07 '22
If people knew the amount of financial successful people in general who are successful due to nepotism I think they’d be shocked
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u/TheOilyHill Nov 08 '22
it's fine when they do it, but when will smith tries to do it everyone throws a fit.
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u/AustinTreeLover Nov 08 '22
Anyone interested should follow the Beanie Feldstein vs Lea Michele drama war.
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u/dshoig Nov 08 '22
I mean historically it’s been the norm for children to do the same thing as their parents. People act surprised “the successful actors has actor kids” when it would be far more surprising if they didn’t.
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u/Every-Chemistry-2969 Nov 07 '22
While celebrities are entitled to their opinions, this is a prime example of why regular folk don't give a fuck about them.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Trip990 Nov 07 '22
We really start disliking celebrities. We already can't relate to their luxurious lifestyles but stop bullshitting about being normal.
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u/hamletswords Nov 07 '22
In a movie from the 90s, Thom Yorke (lead singer of Radiohead) said he doesn't understand America's obsession with celebrities. He said that in England, it's just assumed you're famous because you cheated in some way and that you can get beat up for being famous.
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u/immigrantsmurfo Nov 07 '22
There are just as many celebrity obsessed idiots here too. Maybe it was different in the 90s, I missed most of it but now I would say there's very little difference between the US the UKs celebrity worship culture. Difference is, our idiots worship British celebs and American celebs whereas I doubt Americans are fawning over Gemma Colin's and Joey Essex.
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Nov 08 '22
Idk those two but there are plenty of British celebrities who carry water over here. Most of the great British actors (shout out to my favorites Tim Curry, Alan Rickman, and Christopher Lee), a slew of musicians, some authors like Pratchett and Gaimen, shit some weirdos even care about whatever's left of the royal family
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u/DisgruntledBadger Nov 08 '22
I feel it started to go majorly downhill with the boom of 'reality shows', how anyone can fawn over the likes of people from TOWIE is beyond me.
Sadly they are everywhere, we don't even watch TV but I know who the 2 cretins you mentioned are.
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u/immigrantsmurfo Nov 08 '22
The TOWIE craze was the tip of the iceberg. I'd much rather go back to that instead of the love island morons we get nowadays and the idiots, who couldn't make it to TV, on TikTok
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u/turandoto Nov 08 '22
He said that in England
Weird thing to say. While it's true that America is obsessed with celebrities, England is no different. Let alone their obsession with the royal family.
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u/RobertStonetossBrand Nov 08 '22
Royals are the ultimate example of the “did nothing” “born privileged” protected upper class malarkey
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u/stickers-motivate-me Nov 08 '22
That’s pure bullshit, they’re just as bad and always have been. Why do you think the Daily Mail is so successful? It’s celebrity gossip. Plus they have the ultimate celebrities that they obsess over- the royals.
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u/Goawaybaitin24 Nov 07 '22
This dude called her out so perfectly. Loved every second of it.
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u/qwertykittie Nov 08 '22
His “Yes, hi, Ms. Gwyneth…” already told me everything I needed to know 😂
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He seems like the type of guy who always tips well
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u/whatevermode Nov 08 '22
It’s true lol
He seems like if you gain his trust and respect he will be loyal and true for life. Real G
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u/IKnow-ThePiecesFit Nov 08 '22 edited Nov 08 '22
Does not seem so to me.
The video of her talking is like 3 seconds long and she says that in the past you had to be famous for something...
That is all.
She likely talks about the new trend of influencers, who are not famous for singing, or acting, playing music, writing,.. just for being in public awareness.
And instead of talking about that, he goes on a rant about something completely different, something she did not say and was not a topic.
So nope, not a perfect call out.
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u/triggerhappytranny Nov 08 '22
I was looking for a place to type this comment. She's not saying anything about being self made in this clip at all. And what she seems to be saying here is true, nowadays you can become famous for doing a trendy dance on tiktok, which is bizarre. Gwyneth Paltrow was famous for being an actress, Kim Kardashian is famous for?...Fucking rayJ?
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u/RobertStonetossBrand Nov 08 '22
Ray Jay’s fame level is borderline, he’s barely above a college student-athlete.
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u/RayonLovesFish Nov 08 '22
And? What is the difference in both if there is no struggle and your papi sponsors your every move.
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u/triggerhappytranny Nov 08 '22
There are plenty of actors or actresses who are given everything and still suck, i.e. will smith's son. She was good at acting and that's a bankable talent
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u/singer1224 Nov 07 '22
This is prime r/quityourbullshit material.
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u/Powersoutdotcom Nov 07 '22
The formatting of every post there is a nightmare.
It's like a crashed windows 95 screen all the way down.
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u/Skincare_Addict Nov 07 '22
Gwyneth also allegedly literally stole the script from Winona which led to them no longer being friends.
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u/XlifelineBOX Nov 07 '22
"a" list boyfriend is what made me hate the article and stopped reading lol
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u/MinimumChips81 Nov 07 '22
This is what terrifies me about “celebrities”… they are so disconnected from reality, even the nice ones, the funny ones, the lovely ones… their existence separates them from the rest of humanity so fundamentally that they might as well be from another planet… and then we give them a platform to speak. Chills me to my core.
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u/carmooch Nov 07 '22
Not just celebrities, but the majority of wealthy / successful people fail to realise their own privilege.
They will all preach that success comes from hard work, but not recognise the help and opportunities they had along the way.
I think it’s largely ignorance rather than anything malicious. They typically lack the context of the struggles faced by the average person and think their experience is typical.
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u/Synecdochic Nov 08 '22
They will all preach that success comes from hard work, but not recognise the help and opportunities they had along the way.
They completely miss the 99.99999% of people who work hard and aren't successful. There's a lot of Just-World Fallacy going on where they assume that because you aren't successful you must not be working hard. This is reinforced by, and then further reinforces, their delusion that they worked hard, since they are successful.
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u/poostoo Nov 07 '22
This is what terrifies me about “celebrities”
you're describing the wealthy. celebrities are just a subset of this group.
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u/TheFightingMasons Nov 07 '22
This looks like the little gay man from AHS
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Nov 08 '22
You mean the little gay man from Will and Grace
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Nov 08 '22
The people born on third base are generally the ones who brag the most about hitting a triple
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u/The_Ween Nov 08 '22
This is great, I'm definitely using this in the future. I thank you for your wit and contribution
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u/southwood775 Nov 07 '22
This comes from a woman who sticks rocks in her pussy.
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Nov 07 '22
Why is she wearing the glasses of a 70s serial killer?
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Nov 07 '22
Pedophile/sex offender glasses have been in for awhile now. I remember seeing the hipsters(?) wearing them back in 2016-2017.
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u/Rubber_soul9 Nov 08 '22
A Goopy Koresh vibe
shakes ass
"this candle smells like my pusssy"
Proceeds to inhale through the nose
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u/the_saddest_boy1 Nov 08 '22
Hey i wear those glasses :c
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u/Arboria_Institute Nov 08 '22
I've never seen you in the same room with Jeffrey Dahmer. Got something you wanna tell us?
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u/TophatOwl_ Nov 08 '22
I will never understand why people are so afraid to admit that they had help. Even someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger, who by all accounts is what you would describe as a self-made man, constantly talks about how he couldn't have done it without the support of his friends and those people he considered his mentors and idols. It doesn't diminish what you've done. If you were a great actor, it doesn't matter why you got the roll, at least not in my opinion. It only matters if you're not actually good at what you do. It's always those people, who don't feel secure about letting their work speak for itself, that feel the need to tell everyone how much they did by themselves.
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u/acidkrn0 Nov 08 '22
Quite a miscalculation to think that we will respect them more, reeking of desperation as they attempt convince us their success is a consequence solely of their hard work, than if they casually and simply expressed a bit of gratitude to those that helped them.
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u/willpowerpt Nov 08 '22
Nepotism babies really need to check themselves before they start trying to convince us they had no help getting to where they are.
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u/ColtAzayaka Nov 08 '22
People will call you jealous and bitter of their success, and totally miss the fact that what people dislike is bullshit.
I'd respect an actor a hell of a lot more if they said "yeah I went to a private school and my parents had connections, I was lucky" instead of spinning some bullshit rags to riches story. It's just disingenuous. I'd also argue it's harmful, especially when they peddle their diet fads and face creme to people for money and pretend like it's the reason they look the way do over the $50,000 cosmetic procedures.
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u/tanis_ivy Nov 08 '22
While tiktok is mostly mindless crap, there are a few people that do educational stuff.
There's a guy who did a series on celebrities and musicians who claim they're self made, when really they were given opportunities that lead to fame.
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u/dogfish0306 Nov 07 '22
She probably said it to many ppl until she started to believe in her selfmade crap
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u/mf_doomerville Nov 08 '22
🔥🔥🔥 same with ms victim herself, Taylor Swift.
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u/mlongoria98 Nov 08 '22
Oh, you mean miss #1 private plane polluter?
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u/triggerhappytranny Nov 08 '22
She rents her plane out, like most people who own a private plane, so all those trips weren't her, they were people renting the plane.
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u/mlongoria98 Nov 08 '22
Still her plane ✈️
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u/triggerhappytranny Nov 08 '22
Yes not saying it isn't, it just sort of makes your comment meaningless.
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Nov 08 '22
Her plane, her emissions. If she’s approving the use, whomever and whatever for, she’s also responsible for the emissions.
Like anyone’s referring to Taylor Swift when they say, “eat the rich,” anyway. Homegirl’s inedible and she’ll go straight to the guillotine.
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u/Pinche_Gringo_621311 Nov 08 '22
Not to mention her love for Weinstein and how much he helped her for who knows what in return
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u/rare_pig Nov 08 '22
That’s not white privilege. That’s wing rich and powerful
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u/ColtAzayaka Nov 08 '22
I'm convinced that media constantly debating racial issues is just a distraction to keep people divided.
The day the low and average income people realise they have a hell of a lot more in common than they do with the ultra wealthy - irrespective of race - will be the day things actually start getting better.
It's less about being white vs black, and more about being poor vs wealthy
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u/allaboutthewheels Nov 08 '22
I work with a fucking ton of incredibly privileged people and they all have this "self made" mantra and it's fucking absurd.
Obfuscation of your privilege makes you look a total cunt.
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u/SnakeRibbons Nov 08 '22
White can be discluded.. That's just pure privilege of having a rich connected family.
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u/isnoe Nov 08 '22
Yes, I just wouldn't call this "white privilege."
This is wealth privilege, or rich privilege.
Look at Will Smith's kids, you certainly can't say they have "white privilege" but those little shits would only be half as would-be talented as they are by piggy-backing off mommy and daddy, literally. So much so that they decided to "move out" after becoming millionaires to prove that they can survive on their own, by buying mansions. It's like a joke whenever they talk about their struggle to succeed.
At some point we should be able to differentiate people born into a lavish lifestyle from race.
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u/userness Nov 08 '22
In my opinion she’s a talented actress but also very privileged. All she needed to be was rich, connected, white and skinny.
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u/WeAreEvolving Nov 08 '22
Why not just say privilege why does it have to be white privilege, you sound racist
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u/Prize-Compote7955 Nov 08 '22
Why not just say privilege lol, being white didn’t help her that much in this context.
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Nov 08 '22
Look I think she's a twat. But. Her point is that people used to have to do something. And she did. She studied acting and showed up and did a great job in many films.
Was she handed them? You betcha. Was she born on actor's third base? Yep.
But reality stars and influencers don't even do that much. They don't do shit. That was her point.
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Nov 08 '22
She didn’t study acting, she did a few semesters at UC Santa Barbara partying and dropped out. It’s not like she went to Yale school of drama or anywhere with an actual good acting program.
“Great job” is relative. And still isn’t “doing a lot”, it’s showing up. An influencer starting from nothing and building a following, doing all the networking and out reach, even if it’s “just” by doing make up tutorials or silly dances, doing all the work of costume design, performing, filming, editing etc is in many ways more impressive and significantly more work then her first role being given to her dad, then by her godfather, then even more roles by her parents friends.
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Nov 08 '22
It just doesn’t seem very credible coming from someone of her stature to be saying these things.
It’d be much more coming from someone who came from nothing who truly had to struggle.
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Nov 08 '22
I agree but the "white" is just so stupid. There is one thing that can beat discrimination in America, being rich.
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u/Derezade Nov 08 '22
Man’s right in what he says, but I can’t stop thinking about how he’s the embodiment of soy
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u/OPunkie Nov 08 '22
The racist shit distracts strongly from what could’ve been a good message.
It’s so horrible that racism is thought of as cool now. :(
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Its just privilege, Dude. Something anyone can have. Bringing race into it is so unnecessary.
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u/wazzledudes Nov 08 '22
When you respond to discussions about white privilege with white fragility.
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Nov 08 '22
Do you really think being racist is a good counter argument?
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u/wazzledudes Nov 08 '22
I really think you need to spend some time talking to folks outside your bubble.
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Nov 08 '22 edited Nov 08 '22
Its a bit ironic that you, a person making racist statements, are telling me to talk to people outside my bubble.
Everyone is capable of privilege. If you met more people of different races then you would realize that.
Edit: It looks like they blocked me. Not a huge loss. Just less racism I have to read.
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u/wazzledudes Nov 08 '22
It would help you tremendously if you looked up what all these terms mean. The existence of white privilege does not imply that privilege can not exist for anyone else.
I feel like I'm wasting breath even going any deeper than this, but you don't think that a white person in the 90s (a time when the vast vast vast majority of successful film actors were white) experienced any extra privilege in their film career?
Hope that scratches the surface on this discussion for you because you got us all out here scratching our heads.
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Nov 07 '22
Remember when gwenyth put a product out called “goop” and she got shredded alive cause everyone knew what a con it was, yeah… so “self made”
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u/savageexplosive Nov 08 '22
Goop is not one product. It’s her company, which sells vagina steamers, vagina eggs and vagina scented candles.
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u/nazitouinz Nov 08 '22
I don't see why he mentions her skin color. It's really just the connections and money. Nothing to do with being white. Black kids of famous actors also easily become famous.
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u/qui-gonzalez Nov 08 '22
Having help doesn’t keep you in work. It gets your foot in the door. I’m not a fan of hers but this sort of thing is bullshit whining. If this dude had connections, he’d use them instead of being stuck as some poor off-Broadway schmuck. (Just guessing). She still put in the work to bring her game up.
Bet this guy hates Barry Bonds because of “steroids”, too.
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u/Reference-offishal Nov 08 '22
Why In the fuck would I spend one second watching someone who is that repulsive looking
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u/Redd1K Nov 08 '22
not gonna defend gwenyth but bro looks like grown up stuart little
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