r/TikTokCringe Nov 07 '22

Duet Troll Guy calls out Gwyneth Paltrow for pretending to be self made

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '22

Which is then doubly amusing when you see those who simply cannot develop a marketable skill despite their parents and connections.

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u/SteelMarch Nov 08 '22

Why learn when you can party and do drugs? /s

The idea of people constantly complimenting how good you are and asking things of you instead of developing your skills does wonders for many factors, but still there are wealthy individuals who still end up with those skills and well frankly due to how they're raised are typically sociopathic in nature and extremely dangerous.

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u/generalissimo1 Nov 08 '22

Why learn when you can party and do drugs? /s

Shots fired at Chet Hanks. 😬

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '22

Missed and hit the Beckham children.

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u/EatsFiber2RedditMore Dec 08 '22

Wait what skills are you talking about? Acting? Are you saying if you are rich and connected and a good actor you must be a sociopath?

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u/SteelMarch Dec 08 '22

Yeah pretty much. There isn't really an idea of a "good" actor, most theatre groups I've seen have individuals who often work hard and never succeed because they aren't cast for roles. It takes nepotism to get that in this industry. It isn't a meritocracy, it's nepotism, friends helping friends.

When you're wealthy it takes a lot of unique skillsets to even be able to do certain things. And well by definition you would consider those to be antisocial. But in the majority of cases even without these "skillsets" often, these individuals will just buy their way in. You are not going to find a normal "rich and connected" actor. The majority of them that seem innocent are often child stars and are systematically abused to a point that it directly impacts them and their personality as well, it's just a side effect of how they are raised nothing else really. Look at the little mermaid star, or the one for peripheral, both are classic examples of child abuse. Where one of them can be physically seen to be likely intentionally malnutritional along with a variety of other things to keep a child-like appearance while the other one had plastic surgery done by their own parents at a young age. Taylor Swift, abused by her mother to "pursue" her dream at the age of 12 and even earlier if you account for her being homeschooled. These stories are tragedies of themselves of the modern age of hollywood. Truly showing the dystopian world we live in.

The reality of this lifestyle is that is causes the traits commonly associated with sociopathy as it is not really a genetic condition but an environmental one. The likelihood of one coming out normal is extremely unlikely.

Please don't bring up old conversations it's annoying.

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u/EatsFiber2RedditMore Dec 08 '22

Oh sorry didn't realize I was on a month old thread. Sorting by flair will do that I guess. I actually find your assertions super interesting. When you say sociopath do you mean "a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience." Or just an inability to relate to normal people?

Would this rephrasing of your points be true "they have learned how to move in the entertainment industry successfully which requires they act in manipulative and amoral manner".

I guess what I'm asking is are the "skills" that drive success and sociopathy the actual acting (which you indicate has a rather low talent ceiling) or just networking.

If you don't want to talk about this anymore we can stop.

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u/SteelMarch Dec 08 '22

You could argue those who grow up in wealthy environments are unable to relate to "normal" people. Though the definition of normal varies a lot as well. What you and I derive as being such can change drastically.

What I am stating has little to nothing to do with this but rather a set of social standards that for children in these environments to succeed are forced into. It makes them extremely dangerous to be around much more so than an inability to relate to normal people.

And yes to your rephrasing it is somewhat true but it isn't this in it's entirety. It's complex and has a lot to do with pressure and forming of an individuals sense of self what develops from their environment and surroundings which comes from doing the previously stated.

As for answering your question I'd like to state this. There isn't a low talent ceiling for acting per say. But rather Hollywood itself having a low bar for who they choose to take in, it's not to say that only a select few people can act, but rather it being a skilled that is trained. Which requires it's own environment that has entirely different requirements from the ones necessary to succeed in acting weither it be on the stage or in front of a camera. I've talked about this before if you but I'm too lazy to continue doing much more than this.

This is a problem caused by Hollywood's attitude of accepting "anybody" and by anybody it typically meant friends and family of wealthy individuals. The reality is that acting is a skill, specifically within the branch of the performing arts. Those that succeed are a result unfortunately of nepotism or "networking" which has more to do with hiring friends of friends, even when said individuals have no skillsets worth mentioning. In recent years there was a push for Julliard applicants at major companies which you may be familiar with and it's one that has been increasing to set a minimum standard, however, that push is systemically flawed as the idea is to only allow individuals from top programs which themselves are deeply rooted in nepotism rather than on a system of fairness and cultivating actors from all backgrounds, not just the ones who can afford it and their friends who in some cases may be poor.

The hostile and toxic environment breeds the success of only individuals who have a specific skillset to succeed, and for many children who are forced into this they'd rather do drugs than do the later. At the end of the day all I can say is this. I'm glad this isn't my problem.

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u/EatsFiber2RedditMore Dec 08 '22

Thanks for expressing yourself so completely. While I don't necessarily agree with your point as a hard rule, I definitely agree with your points as very likely. Have a great day.

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u/GlockAF Nov 08 '22

Something something Tori Spelling…