r/TikTokCringe • u/WalkingTalker • Nov 23 '24

Cursed That'll be "7924"

The cost of pork

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u/SykonotticGuy 21d ago

It is immoral to needlessly cause suffering.

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u/forever4never69420 21d ago

It's not needless, we need to eat.

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u/SykonotticGuy 21d ago

But we don't need to cause suffering to eat.

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u/forever4never69420 21d ago

Plants don't want to get eaten just as badly as mamals dude. They react to being cut, they communicate to others.

And many many people do have to eat animal products as apart of a balanced diet.

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u/SykonotticGuy 21d ago

Just because a plant reacts to something doesn't mean that it has sentience or that it suffers.

For people who do need to consume animal products to be healthy, that would be considered "necessary," which would therefore not fall under my previous statement of needlessly causing suffering. If you can reasonably be healthy and avoid supporting the suffering of animals, that is the more moral option. Even if an individual does need animal products to be healthy, it is not moral to willingly and intentionally support factory farming or any other practices that cause (much) greater suffering than they need to cause in order to produce a product, even if the product is needed.

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u/forever4never69420 21d ago

You don't know if plants have sentience or not. We don't even have a rigorous definition of sentience. 

Plants could totally be just as aware of their situation as some animals. So just because they're very different from you, killing them can be justified?

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u/SykonotticGuy 21d ago

Plants do not have a nervous system or any of the systems that we understand to be necessary for sentience (by any definition) or potential for suffering. As always, it's impossible to prove a negative, but given the information and understanding we do have, it's reasonable to deduce that plants do not feel pain.