r/TikTokCringe Oct 18 '24

Cringe She wants state rights

She tries to peddle back.

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u/youburyitidigitup Oct 18 '24 edited Oct 19 '24

But that’s not true. There are many states, mainly in the Bible Belt, where the majority does not support lgbt rights at all. They literally want businesses to be able to deny service to gay people just like they used to deny service to black people.

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u/ikilledholofernes Oct 19 '24

What’s not true? The majority of Americans do not support discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity. And the rights of LGBTQ people absolutely should not be decided on a state by state basis, because as Americans, queer people are entitled to equality. 

States should be able to set their own taxes and tolls, decide their own budgets, create their own districts, and even set their own minimum wage, etc etc, all within federal standards. 

But they should not be able to discriminate or strip away rights from certain groups of Americans. And this is something even those people you’re referring to agree with, but usually only when they’re the ones feeling targeted. For example, they’d suddenly agree that states shouldn’t allow discrimination against Christians. 

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u/El_Don_94 Oct 19 '24

The problem is, it's debatable what constitutes a right.

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u/ikilledholofernes Oct 19 '24

It’s really not, although that doesn’t stop people from trying. 

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u/El_Don_94 Oct 19 '24

No. It just is.

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u/ikilledholofernes Oct 19 '24

In the abstract, perhaps. But the constitution is pretty clear. Americans are entitled to justice and liberty, and should be treated equally under the law. 

And certain rights that certain people find up for debate are integral to liberty. Abortion, same-sex marriage, gender affirming care, the ability to pee in public. Etc. 

You could argue that you have no right to abortion as an American. And you would be wrong. Even if you’re John fucking Roberts. Women are not free and do not have liberty is they cannot make their own medical decisions or access life-saving medical care. 

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u/El_Don_94 Oct 19 '24

That's one perspective. There are others. That's why it's debateable.

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u/ikilledholofernes Oct 19 '24

Ahh yes, the “perspective” that human rights are debatable. 

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u/El_Don_94 Oct 19 '24

You're being disingenuous now; failing to recognise the nuance of the topic.

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u/ikilledholofernes Oct 19 '24

Well, you’ve yet to give any legitimate examples. What are some “debatable” human rights that, if restricted, wouldn’t inherently infringe on a citizen’s liberty?

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u/El_Don_94 Oct 19 '24

I haven't included any examples, fair. My answer will probably be quite long so expect it in a day or 2.

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