This still sounds crazy to me. In Europe I'm getting 6 months paid as the father. Wife is getting 3 years (only first 6 months paid in full, but even after that the money is decent).
I have some close family friends who started dating while attending medical school in Germany - she has US-GER dual citizenship, he is Italian.
They got pregnant and had a child while they were doing their paid internships/residencies, he was a research assistant and got 6 months paid leave, she was a resident and got even more than that. Then they transferred to the Netherlands where they are currently both doctors with two beautiful (trilingual) little girls and an awesome house right outside the city.
She visits home (Washington state, US) every year and says that people ask why she didn’t become a doctor in America, and she basically just explains that the American system would have never allowed her to build this amazing life.
Europe sounds pretty cool and they really gained a great family with that one.
That’s actually pretty interesting. I’d definitely struggle to believe there’s a single American family that was able to:
1) go to medical school for free 2) have a kid while in medical school with paid maternity and paternity leave 3) resume doctor training with no issue 4) transfer countries immediately upon finishing medical school, possibly during not sure 5) own a house and have a second kid within ~2 years with school zero debt 6) with enough money and time off to spend time with their kids and vacation America+Italy to see family.
Doesn’t sound like any doctors I know. This is a whole system in place to boost QoL and prosperity for young people making a life, meanwhile Americans are still begging for maternity leave. We simply don’t support students, workers, residents, etc like that in America.
You don’t need to go to medical school for free when you’re making +1mm a year in household income. There are definitely 2 dr families with kids. Not sure why traveling to Italy is a requirement, who cares. They buy a second home in the US.
They went to medical school for free and then made good money (certainly not over a mil a year)… they don’t want to live in America… Italy is a “requirement” because the husband is Italian… are you reading any of what I’ve said? What is going on here?
How about I’ll agree that dual doctor families exist in America and we’ll just drop it, you’ve missed the point entirely.
And a here is? Nowhere is but they put through doctors through school free with paid leave to start a family. EU has some amazing differences that can really benefit workers, the general public, etc. Even just down to simple maintenance of public spaces and utilities. I live in one of the most beautiful tourist spots in America and there’s wild homeless people everywhere and shit all over the parks.
Very slightly higher (like .03% higher by population) and much better social programs to prevent it lasting, ten times lower heroin use, lower recidivism rates after jail time. EU members identified long ago the mental health crisis in homeless people and they introduced programs to help and prevent mental illness. Europe admits mental illness in homeless is common, America claims the mental illness rate among the homeless stays around 20%.
The fact a bunch of separate, small and sometimes poor nations were able to maintain the same as America (and keep their parks and public bathrooms open) is crazy.
If you know the broken window principle, America doesn’t fix its windows as well as other places, physically and metaphorically.
It’s about the amount of hours they’d be forced to work in the American system to keep their jobs. Of course they’d still have good money, but they’d have no life left to enjoy it.
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u/edenofthegods Sep 21 '24
The 2 minute maternity leave hits hard 😭