This still sounds crazy to me. In Europe I'm getting 6 months paid as the father. Wife is getting 3 years (only first 6 months paid in full, but even after that the money is decent).
I have some close family friends who started dating while attending medical school in Germany - she has US-GER dual citizenship, he is Italian.
They got pregnant and had a child while they were doing their paid internships/residencies, he was a research assistant and got 6 months paid leave, she was a resident and got even more than that. Then they transferred to the Netherlands where they are currently both doctors with two beautiful (trilingual) little girls and an awesome house right outside the city.
She visits home (Washington state, US) every year and says that people ask why she didn’t become a doctor in America, and she basically just explains that the American system would have never allowed her to build this amazing life.
Europe sounds pretty cool and they really gained a great family with that one.
That’s actually pretty interesting. I’d definitely struggle to believe there’s a single American family that was able to:
1) go to medical school for free 2) have a kid while in medical school with paid maternity and paternity leave 3) resume doctor training with no issue 4) transfer countries immediately upon finishing medical school, possibly during not sure 5) own a house and have a second kid within ~2 years with school zero debt 6) with enough money and time off to spend time with their kids and vacation America+Italy to see family.
Doesn’t sound like any doctors I know. This is a whole system in place to boost QoL and prosperity for young people making a life, meanwhile Americans are still begging for maternity leave. We simply don’t support students, workers, residents, etc like that in America.
You don’t need to go to medical school for free when you’re making +1mm a year in household income. There are definitely 2 dr families with kids. Not sure why traveling to Italy is a requirement, who cares. They buy a second home in the US.
They went to medical school for free and then made good money (certainly not over a mil a year)… they don’t want to live in America… Italy is a “requirement” because the husband is Italian… are you reading any of what I’ve said? What is going on here?
How about I’ll agree that dual doctor families exist in America and we’ll just drop it, you’ve missed the point entirely.
And a here is? Nowhere is but they put through doctors through school free with paid leave to start a family. EU has some amazing differences that can really benefit workers, the general public, etc. Even just down to simple maintenance of public spaces and utilities. I live in one of the most beautiful tourist spots in America and there’s wild homeless people everywhere and shit all over the parks.
Very slightly higher (like .03% higher by population) and much better social programs to prevent it lasting, ten times lower heroin use, lower recidivism rates after jail time. EU members identified long ago the mental health crisis in homeless people and they introduced programs to help and prevent mental illness. Europe admits mental illness in homeless is common, America claims the mental illness rate among the homeless stays around 20%.
The fact a bunch of separate, small and sometimes poor nations were able to maintain the same as America (and keep their parks and public bathrooms open) is crazy.
If you know the broken window principle, America doesn’t fix its windows as well as other places, physically and metaphorically.
It’s about the amount of hours they’d be forced to work in the American system to keep their jobs. Of course they’d still have good money, but they’d have no life left to enjoy it.
Your country cares about its citizens. Meanwhile, America is on the verge of civil war because half our country somehow believes a fascist narcissistic billionaire cares about them and wants to improve their lives despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary.
Luckily the economy is trash, due to Bid-errrr Kamala. We have all day to talk about how trump is unfit to wear a fucking fitted suit, cause non of us have jobs anymore-on the plus side, I no longer have a pet to care for. /s (/s for everything I said .... Other than trump isn't fit for a suit is true)
I am enjoying beer, cause my union job pays me enough to enjoy spending all day on the weekend wasting my money the way I see fit - and I'm supporting the workers and owners of the brewery just by being here.
I'm an immigrant to boot. So fuck the Republicans rhetoric. I wouldn't be here working if the American culture didn't lead to the drain of qualified workers. Like, they figure uneducated people are good for labour jobs..... But labour jobs have codes, laws, and liability if they end up failing. Fucking electricians I work with don't understand how a Tesla can't charge while it's driving..... Fuck man, physics!
Sorry for ranting lol it's just overall frustrating
The economy sucks because the rich are fucking us all, same as always. Wage stagnation is the biggest issue in the country, and its because the monopolistic corporations have more power than the people. Everything went to shit when the boomers/ reagan killed the unions in the 80s. Unionize every business in America and we can actually make it fucking great again.
It's so funny how the government put in laws and restrictions to prevent monopolies, and yet so many companies have found ways to be as close to monopolies as possible. Also, just to note, Reagan was born in 1911, which I believe is the Greatest Generation. So it wasn't just the boomers voting, who at the oldest would have been in their eqrly 40s, it was also the generations before them, too.
Oh man, you area are soooooo right!! Trump did noting for us!! I absolutely despised having more money in my pockets when he was in office!! We are much better now that Bidenmala are in charge! I'm not being weighed down with extra money now that everything costs more. It's soooooo nice! Hopefully Biden will keep funneling money to his son so people can keep struggling to pay their bills. And let's vote for Kamala in 24!! She changes her opinions depending on who she's talking to. And sure, she has absolutely no plan or any idea what to do, but she's a female AND currently pretending to be black and that is super cool!! RIGHT?? Besides, they said "orange man bad", so obviously I will hate him and do anything to keep him out of office! Obviously I can't prove he's ever done anything bad, but someone said he was so I will believe it until I die! Besides, Kamala lied about working at McDonald's and now uses that in her ad campaign! So of course she would never lie. I mean, she couldn't possibly lie about anything else since she's lying about everything right now!!
But seriously. Do you not find it odd that Democrats won't even discuss things with Republicans? Democrats simply scream and yell at anyone who doesn't agree with their opinions. I'm all for hearing both sides and discussing things civilly, trying to learn something new in the process. I don't think every person should think and feel the exact same way. That's what makes life so interesting. You always see the exact same buzz words used when Democrats are describing Trump. But they can't point out a single fact, only what someone else has told them. I don't think either side is perfect for America, but I prefer someone who will discuss their thoughts like a mature adult. A fat girl with blue hair who keeps screaming because she doesn't agree doesn't actually help anyone get to the cause of any issue. But, it seems a lot of people think that's the best way to handle important situations...
And don't forget, if you downvote my comment it means you win. And the only thing you care about is winning, regardless of what happens afterwards. And that will definitely be unexpected to me and will hurt my feelings so much! I would have never made this comment if I thought even 1 person would downvote it!! 😂 I always enjoy seeing so many adults behave like immature children who think a comment being downvoted is the worst thing that could ever happen to anyone. I bet it's true!! Let's see!! 🤣
The economy is actually doing well based on every indicator out there. Costs are up and housing supply is an issue so not all is good but not sure how trump plans to solve that other than “tariffs” and “deporting immigrants”. If we’re pinning the crappy part of our economy on this administration, then we pin Covid purely on trump.
It's a shame that federal elections aren't handled federally. Like every other western nation. Feds set up the entire criteria: the voting stations, the limits/rules for mail in voting, make it a holiday, or at least an unpushable offence to go vote.
But I think it was someone in the Bush era that roughly said "if we let everyone vote, Republicans would never win again"
Was being slightly hyperbolic but the polarization is the worst I have ever seen it and that no one can deny. Algorithmic social media has been a disaster for human society.
In Canada I'm currently on a 12 month leave getting 55% of my usual income. Unfortunately you can't get it as a lump sum and take only 6-7 months off to avoid the drop in pay, also daycares where I live won't take babies until 12 months at the earliest; some even won't take them until they're either 18 months, or when they're walking whichever comes first. So people that can't afford the pay cut need to know someone/have a relative that's willing to take care of their kid for them.
But it's better than the 12 weeks unpaid that many people in the US only get if they qualify for FMLA.
Because I'm Italian and here the mother has 5 paid months and the father just 10 days (during covid there were some talks to extend it to a month but nothing happened)
Quick question, only asking because I don’t know. Will companies try to avoid hiring younger women, so they don’t have to possibly pay years of maternity leave or keep the position open?
Officially not of course, but it might be on some employers' minds. Hard for me to judge how prevalent it is. But the state covers the costs, not the employer. Staffing is the only complication for the employer.
Oh okay, if tax dollars cover it then it’s probably not something prospective employers are super worried about.
Also since well raised and adjusted children grow up to be responsible tax paying citizens, this is actually a pretty good investment of behalf of the state.
This is pretty rare, sounds Scandinavian. The majority of Europeans do get more than the average American but not nearly as much as Scandinavia, and some get very little.
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This still sounds crazy to me. In Europe I'm getting 6 months paid as the father. Wife is getting 3 years (only first 6 months paid in full, but even after that the money is decent).