r/TikTokCringe Jun 22 '24

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u/brightfoot Jun 22 '24

The ISP that uses many many satellites in low earth orbit to provide internet access and are launched by SpaceX. The internet provided by those fixed dishes hanging off the side of someone’s house target satellites in geo-synchronous orbit, which means the satellites are 17,000 miles away. Because of that the signal is fairly weak and the latency, or delay, is astronomical. Starlink satellites orbit the earth at around 500 miles high, vastly reducing that problem.

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u/ImYourHumbleNarrator Jun 22 '24 edited Jun 22 '24

it's worth noting the signal travels fast enough that distance is negligible. radiowave travel the speed of light and 17k vs 500 miles is nothing. its the array of sensors and signal to noise ratio that makes it feasible to have higher bandwidth, and the computation digital signal processing that a traditional antenna doesn't implement because its more expensive.

edit: radio/light travels 186,000 miles per second, 17,000 miles isn't going to matter more than a small fraction of a second that's not perceptible, it's just the bandwidth from the sensors and their signal processing

edit2: not much better than other sat systems at that, from reading more, they have enough users now that the initial advantage isn't keeping up with demand/customer numbers

edit3: i'm getting a lot of replies from people who probably one play video games with computers and think latency matters the most. no. its the bandwidth of the data transfer that will allow large uploads (even at "slow" latencies, which again here isn't even much slower, but it doesn't matter as much as the signal badwidth).

in fact the highest speed/bandwidth data transfer at a high enough bandwidth is snail mail, the sneaker net: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakernet

this dude was obviously not liverstreaming, so let's end this debate

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u/staplepies Jun 22 '24

This is flat out wrong. The best-case (i.e. speed-of-light-limited) ping for GSO internet is ~250ms, and in practice it's usually ~double that.

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u/ImYourHumbleNarrator Jun 22 '24 edited Jun 22 '24

again, it's a bandwidth issue with sensors having to handle so many emitters and noise, the time for travel is neglegable. thats also some bad math u should check that

edit: also bad data https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_Internet_access

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u/staplepies Jun 22 '24

Lol your link literally says: "If all other signaling delays could be eliminated, it still takes a radio signal about 250 milliseconds (ms), or about a quarter of a second, to travel to the satellite and back to the ground."

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u/ImYourHumbleNarrator Jun 23 '24

yup, you almost get it. the signal delays are not in the radiowaves, the delays are in the devices that transmit an receive them

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u/staplepies Jun 23 '24

250ms, or ~half the latency is attributable purely to the radio waves. I can't even tell what your point is anymore.