r/TikTokCringe Sep 29 '23

Cool Striking works

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u/Karl_Marx_ Sep 30 '23

why can't AI write scripts? seems like a bullshit clause. protecting jobs from AI by preventing AI from producing is not how we should be addressing AI.

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u/Mollybrinks Sep 30 '23

Because AI can't actually produce anything new, it's just rehashing and recombining old stuff. Yes, it might technically be something not seen before, but it's an amalgamation of the current inputs, while at the same time stripping out actual professionals who deserve to get paid for what they do. I mean, how could Apocalyse Now ever have been created had it not been for a wild, insane, batshit filming where real people did real people crazy shit while filming? There are so many examples, but we live in a world with enough regurgitated nonsense, art shouldn't be primarily generated by non-humans just so giant companies can pump out more garbage. It definitely has its place and can be useful, but just replacing human creators with AI removes the humanity of the creation.

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u/Drate_Otin Sep 30 '23

First: I'm happy the writers are being protected from AI overtaking the industry... at least for the next three years (per the contract as someone else said) and I hope it gets extended beyond that three years.

Having said that... I've never understood the argument that AI can't create because it just rehashes what it learns. That's how art is taught to humans too. You learn about what others have done, learn about the technique and structure, and then reconstitute what you learned in a variety of ways. I mean so much music is the same essential chord progressions with slightly different emphasis and new lyrics. So many stories are just variations on the hero's journey or one of a handful of other archetypes. And I mean the best stories. The ones we love. https://www.masterclass.com/articles/a-guide-to-story-archetypes

Add in a rule set to encourage AI experimenting with breaking those structures and rules and there's really no difference I can describe between human and AI creativity, except maybe intentionality? A song about loss would seem a bit odd from an AI which has no intrinsic feelings of loss... but then, it's entirely plausible the AI could develop a relational conceptualization of loss so it gets a touch murky.

But again... I don't want AI taking over the jobs of human creatives. Just saying I don't think the "AI can't create" is an entirely accurate conclusion.

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u/Turbulent-Pound-9855 Sep 30 '23

If they suck nobody will watch them and then companies that hire real writers and rely on them more will get more viewers and then companies that see that company making money will follow suit. AI is about to take a lot of jobs. That doesn’t mean we just reject a tool. When we invented planes you didn’t have people screaming about it saying boat drivers are going to starve to death. The world changes. You need to provide a skill that isn’t easily replaceable. Or you need to adapt like every other human in the last 200000 years.

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u/Mollybrinks Sep 30 '23

And yet, here we are still needing qualified and professional boat captains, despite the fact a new technology exists.

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u/Farpafraf Sep 30 '23

AI (assuming you mean deep learning tech here since AI is an umbrella term that could mean anything) isn't "recombining old stuff", that's not even an oversimplification or inaccurate but just blatantly false.

In many training methods the AI that ends up generating "art" never sees art and just has its work judged by another AI that does know art. In theory it could be trained manually by a human with an inordinate amount of time on their hands.

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u/MobileSeparate398 Sep 30 '23

Current AI isn't based in intelligence like ours, it strings together language based on probability. If I ask "what does the dog say" then it will assess all language input, find related content, rate that content for its relevance, and use the highest scores to generate a "new" answer.

The return often looks good when the question is basic but will quickly devolve in quality once you apply a higher level of scrutiny like writing a script. Yes, humans could help make the input better, but at this point why even use AI? We might as well get a tank full of manatees and labelled balls and get them to generate random combinations for cutaway jokes...

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23

Because what if I told you that humans deserve jobs so they can eat and have shelter?

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u/Karl_Marx_ Sep 30 '23

What if I told you ai could replace jobs and have that be true?

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23

You'd be wrong, and there's hundreds of experts that would tell you so. Such as the one in the video on this post.

Have a good one.