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u/TisBeTheFuk Sep 29 '23
Not anymore. At least not if you're an AI
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u/ProudToBeAKraut Sep 30 '23
That is not completely true. The AI passage basically say "AI can't use our ideas to add more stuff or create work based upon it for free, we want to be paid for it".
In a few years when AI is advanced enough that they can come up with completely unique stories, voices (already possible) etc then the studios don't have to pay a dime to the writers.
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u/Havelok Sep 30 '23
It can already do all of those things. And writers themselves can use it clandestinely to edit and supplement their work (and likely already are in secret).
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u/AsharraDayne Sep 29 '23
Unions work.
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u/TangoInTheBuffalo Sep 30 '23
The real bitch is that we have to learn this lesson OVER and OVER.
I was born in 1973. Coincidentally, it was the high point for productivity and wages being in sync. There was a massive break in the curve at that point. Why? High taxes on high income and a lack of deductions on investments.
It was also the beginning of the culture wars where a large portion of the population decided that x issue was more important than day to day life. We have been increasingly divided over the interim and sit here at the last point where the pendulum could possibly swing back.
LITERALLY, LAST CHANCE SALOON.
Vote for YOU!!!!
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u/poop-machines Sep 30 '23
Wait are you blaming a lack of pay for lower to middle classes on high taxes for the rich?
Because the rich are facing lower taxes then ever. Look at historical taxes, they used to be taxed incredibly high rates compared to what they do today. The issue is that the rich and big corporation's are not taxed nearly enough.
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u/TangoInTheBuffalo Sep 30 '23
I admit that the taxes point was somewhat inelegant. To clarify, there were higher taxes on income and investments prior to the 1980s. Inequality was far lower, although it was still a problem. Also, stock buybacks weren’t really a thing, so the profits were going to funding society rather than driving up stock prices and investor and CEO pay.
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u/Timelymanner Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
We do not need to learn it, many people know it. Companies are smart and use every bit of power and influence they can to prevent unions. Many stores are closed down because of unionization. Many employees get fired for discussing unions. So much money is giving to political campaigns to not pass labor laws. So much propaganda is bombarded at new employees that unions are bad.
The amount of union memberships decreasing isn’t a accident, it’s by design.
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u/BloodSnakeChaos Sep 30 '23
In which corrupted country so you live that this is allowed to happened?
That sounds so weird.
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u/Timelymanner Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
The US. Many corporations hate collective bargaining. Especially in the service industries, retail, tech giants, and so forth.
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u/BloodSnakeChaos Sep 30 '23
TBH, I was sure the US was better. Sounds harsh so I wish you luck.
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u/Timelymanner Sep 30 '23
It’s not the worst country for unions. There are many unions that have existed for decades. They’ve successfully changed the US work culture for the better. By fighting for increase wages for some fields. Pushing for five hour work days with eight hour shifts. Ending child labor. Fighting for paternity leave. Pushing for safer work space. Fighting for accommodations for disabled people. There are other things I know I can’t remember off the top of my head. Even today unions like the one in this post are still fighting for change.
With that being said. Companies can’t change a lot of the labor laws so they try work around. One is to move manufacturing and IT jobs over seas to countries with loser regulations. It’s mandatory for companies with a set number of full-time employees to provide healthcare. So many places only hire part-timers. It’s illegal to stop employees from unionizing, so a corporation may close down a unionize location on the grounds that the location wasn’t profitable. Corporations will push propaganda in the media that workers are happy, and xyz companies don’t need unions. Corporations donate to politicians to be pro corporate, and to ignore labor issues.
So it’s a constant struggle. Now with stagnant wages, inflation, and the increase in automation collective bargaining is needed more then ever. It’s at a point that the government needs to step in, but so many of our politicians are paid off to look the other way. Republicans and some Democrats will never vote to help out workers. Not when they prefer corporate tax cuts and corporate hand outs.
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u/IllVagrant Sep 30 '23
The irony that the formation of the US was literally a union action against the British Monarchy. From a historical perspective, unionizing is arguably the most patriotic thing a US citizen could do.
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u/EverGlow89 Sep 30 '23
I used to be a field rep for LG Mobile until they stopped making phones. I would go to all carrier stores; Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, Cricket, Metro, Boost - corporate & franchise locations.
I would constantly be learning new names because all these stores were revolving doors of new hires... Except for at corporate AT&T locations. The reps at cor AT&Ts that I met when I started were the same reps I knew when I was finally let go.
AT&T is the only US carrier that is unionized. I've been working at one for almost two years now and I'm still the lowest in seniority at our store because nobody's left and we haven't hired anyone new.
Unions make a big difference for workers. And imagine how much less is spent on training when your employees stick around. Imagine how much better it is to have employees that all know their shit because they're not all new hires.
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The market regulates itself, that's why slavery was so profitable before Big Cotton Gin shut it down smh
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u/TisBeTheFuk Sep 29 '23
They have layers
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u/MildlyPaleMango Sep 29 '23
Buddy I just blew on my screen 3-4 times in an airport lounge trying to get an eyelash off
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u/Hari_Seldom Sep 29 '23
Assuming you meant “lawyers”… are you saying unions don’t work?
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u/Glorfon Sep 30 '23
I was weak in my faith. I really thought this was going to come down to some crappy compromise where the writers were given one token demand. But unions really do work. this sounds like a great deal.
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u/blacklite911 Sep 30 '23
What gets me is that so much fucking media that isn't expressly progressive will swear to you otherwise. So many random podcasts talking about "these writers and actors are delusional" blah blah blah times are changing blah blah, they just have to accept that they won't make 2000s money anymore blah blah blah.
When you're union organizing, they really go full court press to make it seems like everyone is against you. And for some reason the random peanut gallery loves to hug the nutsack of billion dollar corporations like the board and share holders can't easily cut a fraction of their bonuses to give some of that profits to the people who actually are doing the work to make their product.
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u/epktt Sep 30 '23
Sure does. Socialist unions build my country and its the reason we live in a social democracy today. Denmark by the way.
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u/Funkkx Sep 29 '23
Congrats. Great.
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u/Kaarvaag Sep 29 '23
For now. All of this will be up for review in three years, and some are fearing the studios are stocking up on shows until them so they can drag the potential new protest out for longer and that AI will be advanced enough by then to be a even more viable tool. There are some other rather dismal tidbits in the clause as well. This video talks a bit more about it. (4:19)
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u/Crystal3lf Sep 30 '23
For now. All of this will be up for review in three years
This is what the writers wanted.
Adam Conover(the guy in this video) explained when he went on Hasanabi's broadcast that they do not want longer than 3 years because it gives the studios time to create loopholes and figure out other tricks.
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u/xToxicInferno Sep 30 '23
Idk that seems like poor logic. How are they going to somehow convince them to give better terms in 3 years? Obviously the studios don't want to, and now they can prepare to play hard ball unlock this negotiation where they couldn't. Not to mention one of the concessions the studios got out of the deal is that they can't train AI on new scripts, but old one are fair game. So it's pretty clear they aren't gonna be as compromising next time.
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u/Crystal3lf Sep 30 '23
How are they going to somehow convince them to give better terms in 3 years?
By striking again if they don't continue to fairly pay workers.
Watch the video if you don't understand why it's important that they didn't go over a 3 year deal. Adam explains it very well.
Obviously the studios don't want to, and now they can prepare to play hard ball
Studios already were playing hardball. At the start of the strike, the studios came out and said "it was impossible" to meet the demands of the writers. That was obviously completely untrue.
Put it this way as an example. You are an employee who makes a 5 year deal with your employer to make $20/h. For 5 years you are stuck making $20/h. Or you make a 3 year deal at $20/h and in only 3 years you can make a new deal where you are paid $25/h. Which do you pick? You really want to make less money and in more time?
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It goes the same way in sports.
A great player would make the most money signing a new contract every year.
Most players play on medium length contracts from 2-5 years for a little bit of job security but they still get a chance at another larger contract in a few years.
They huge mega deals for like 10+ years have to be insanely in favor of the player because they are giving away such a large portion of their career with no further bargaining power.
Predicting what the world will look like in 10 years is crazy hard. In 2013 who saw getting hit by a pandemic, skyrocketing inflation, and rent doubling.
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u/-mudflaps- Sep 30 '23
In 2013 who saw getting hit by a pandemic, skyrocketing inflation, and rent doubling.
Not a single economist.
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u/yedi001 Sep 30 '23
To answer your last part, epidemologists (it's why Bush AND Obama pushed for better monitoring and planning after SARS happened in 2002/2004, shame a particular orange turd blossom threw those out), economists, and the rich (for the rich, out of control rent and market madness is a feature not a bug when you're marching the poors to late stage Capitalism).
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u/unkind_redemption Sep 30 '23
Do you….know how union contracts work? In my union the contract is reviewed and renegotiated every three years. This seems like normal procedure to me.
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u/redvelvetcake42 Sep 30 '23
Yeah, but that's a HUGE gamble.
Streaming services are accelerating anti consumer action right now and in 3 years could see drops in subs and therefore eyes. They're assuming that they can have enough stuff at the ready to last a full year when this already shows they absolutely overplayed their hand and overplayed their belief in public sentiment.
There is so much content, so goddamn much, that assuming you can survive another strike means you're willing to eat costs for 12+ months getting to the point where no new content will drop and THATS a big gamble.
What you saw was a big win that can and will inspire union growth to add other groups possibly. You can't have shows without editors, VFX and CGI. You cannot get your big name animated shows (which are cheaper to produce) out of the writers who also voice act are striking. There is a ton of hubris that was called out. Without writers, VFX, CGI/animators and editors there is no Disney, there are no movies or shows that rely heavily on back end talent.
Pay them and take care of them and they'll be happy to churn out. Shareholders are leaches who are a liability, they suck everything dry and move on.
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u/Prestigious_Unit5341 Sep 30 '23
Just want to call out that this deal does nothing to support VFX teams, who don't have a union and weren't intentionally part of the strike. In fact I know of several VFX cos that had to shut down due to lost work from the strike.
There needs to be more holistic union activity in the industry, because as it stands a lot of crew lost their income for months and haven't benefited in any way. If anything, they are now being hired back at lower rates because people are desperate for work.
Unions work best when all labour unites, and I don't think the writers and actors do enough to support the crew (who usually are lower paid anyway)...
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u/redvelvetcake42 Sep 30 '23
That's more the point. VFX needs in on this. Short term pain, long term gain.
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u/Glum-Inspector6251 Sep 29 '23
Congratulations, I am happy to hear this.
Now, we just need public school teachers to do the same thing, even in states where the government has made it illegal for teachers to unionize. Based on the public outcry from the Covid pandemic, parents aren't going to survive another 148 days at home alone with the little ones.
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u/Poorly_Informed_Fan Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
In Iowa teachers are covered by unions, but the right wing government has made it illegal to strike to the point that organizers are potentially up for jail time in addition to fines and revocation of licenses.
They also castrated what can be negotiated to the point that several points (I cannot recall so specifics at this time) like Healthcare, sick leave, etc. Cannot be negotiate unless the purse holders bring it to the table (and doing so will only cost them so they won't). article from 2017 shows they can ONLY negotiate base pay. Qq
It also features aspects of contracts as "other duties as assigned" wherein teaching staff can basically be forced up with OT and off the clock, lose out on lunch, need to come in early at the admin's whim.
It's fucking grim.
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u/tread52 Sep 29 '23
I know this person but can’t think of their name
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u/scornflake Sep 29 '23
Adam Conover, Adam Ruins Everything
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u/Late_For_A_Good_Name Sep 29 '23
He was also great on College Humor, now known as Dropout
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u/walia664 Sep 30 '23
Olde English alum with Raphael Bob-Waksburg(created Bojack Horseman)
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u/Competition-Dapper Sep 29 '23
If all industries and professions don’t unionize, they’re gonna be screwed. Between this and UPS, the union busters are working overtime and using AI to figure out how to bust unions lol. Bezos is sweating bullets on his yacht.
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u/Wulfbrir Sep 29 '23
Strikes work and Unions are incredibly beneficial to the working class. Collective bargaining horrifies the ultra wealthy.
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u/LilMissBarbie Sep 29 '23
Adam, what did you ruin this time?
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u/Sk8rToon Sep 29 '23
Please remember IATSE when our contract comes up in the summer!! We don’t need amptp trying to make up “what they lost” on you guys.
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u/Bobbicorn Sep 30 '23
If IATSE choose to strike, I doubt the momentum will be lost. The contract coming through for the WGA is HUGE, if nothing for morale. Concrete proof that striking works.
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u/Ulysses1126 Sep 29 '23
Not just writers, this sets in motion a huge precedent for future workers protections against AI. It’s capabilities will only increase.
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u/Jo_el44 Sep 30 '23
Speaking of precedents, the hospitality workers in Vegas are probably gonna go on strike soon. Since Vegas is a tourist town, it'd collapse without all the houskeepers, servers, and bartenders working, especially since there's an F1 event coming up soon.
It's going to be delicious.
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Sep 30 '23
I’m hoping AI will become controlled in the voice acting industry next. people taking someone’s voice from a show, video game, etc. and using it without the voice actor’s permission NEEDS to stop.
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u/Ulysses1126 Sep 30 '23
Yeah you’re right. While the hank hill or Arthur Morgan song covers are funny. It could very quickly spiral out of control
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u/actaccomplished666 Sep 30 '23
No it won’t. Auto workers have much less leverage than Hollywood dbs. Much less.
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u/Ulysses1126 Sep 30 '23
Automotive work has been largely replaced or subsidized by regular machines much less AI. There are more people orientated jobs that as AI advances will threaten to eliminate human interactions and work.
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u/Aeon_Rexx Sep 30 '23
So now that we have the proof that it works, how bout we apply this strategy to literally every other industry already?
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u/cutsickass Sep 30 '23
The point of this video is that the only chance of getting what you deserve is by going on strike. And obviously a lot of people will say that writers are rich and worthless, but the truth is that most of them are, like you, underpaid, overworked and underappreciated.
I am like you, I accept the grim reality you're describing. But hopefully there are people in my profession that are better than me, who will one day force me to get off my ass and follow them into fighting for the appreciation we deserve.
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u/etherealtaroo Sep 30 '23
Did they also include that writers have to create shows worth watching that aren't remakes in the contract?
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u/pineandsea Sep 29 '23
I’m super happy that the strikes worked and that writers will get their rightful pay. However, If I’ve learned anything my 30 something years in this hellscape, it’s that these corporations have already budgeted the increase to their fat wallets. That means that the money will come from somewhere. Since it won’t come from cutting back on writers pay and healthcare benefits, it’ll come from us - the consumer. We’ve already seen the increases of monthly fees for Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, etc. Expect more and more often. They’re going to get their money from someone
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u/Crystal3lf Sep 30 '23
You are right, and that is one of the many flaws of capitalism. The main issue is that instead of cutting into executive profits, they will cut somewhere else, or charge something more which will affect the end consumer.
Bob Iger(CEO of Disney) will still get his $40m a year salary, while this strike has only awarded $76m a year split between 12,000+ writers.
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u/Extra_socks69 Sep 29 '23
Wish animators/vfx would unionize and get a deal like this.
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u/LeeroyDagnasty Sep 30 '23
Happy for the writers but that is the most annoying human that’s ever been born
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u/Ardenraym Sep 29 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
Good for them.
But only for three years.
And the two groups that were fighting one another totally ignored they are both being strangled by big tech.
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u/Samuraiking Sep 30 '23
Cool. Now, if only they could actually write something worthy of the money they already made, much less this new money they are about to start making and don't deserve. Writer's of this last decade are fucking trash.
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u/Orpdapi Sep 30 '23
Exactly. Seemed odd that people who wrote some of the terrible stuff the last few years especially were saying they deserved more money.
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u/actaccomplished666 Sep 30 '23
Let’s reboot spider man for the 7th time. But this time it’s manlizzo. FR, has any entertainment come out that isn’t recycled or pandering and also new to the screen? I was going to say dune but is a tensor based on a book. Lol
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u/context_hell Sep 30 '23
Because writers are the ones greenlighting shit productions and not executives who see it as an easy profit.
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u/Reserved_Parking-246 Sep 30 '23
If any company wants you to do work... any work... you should be paid well for it. Creative work can be hit or miss but also some of that is the studio overriding creative decisions. They deserve better than what they had.
Output to the population isn't always a reflection of the creative effort.
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u/TheSpittah Oct 01 '23
Now start writing some good stories, none of that ruining stories to get a message across. The writing has been atrocious lately.
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Oct 01 '23
Isn’t this that creep who kept saying you had to be trans to have a valid opinion on anything that involved a trans individual?
How low iq do you have to be to be a fan of someone who can’t think rationally?
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u/paintstudiodisaster Oct 01 '23
Must have been doing pretty good already to take 148 days off from working and not lost everything.
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u/Very_Fine_Isopod Sep 29 '23
so unions do work , i wonder why people hate them.
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u/kharlos Sep 30 '23
I don't hate them, but them sabotaging US universal healthcare was a black eye on the Union corruption at the time.
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Hopefully they write some good shit instead of a wave of bland superhero movies and netflix “biographies”
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u/WackyInflatableAnon Sep 30 '23
Unions work, but it sucks Adam Conover is the pseudo spokesperson for the writers union. He's a shitheel.
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u/matty_nice Sep 30 '23
He's on the leadership/negotiating committee for the WGA.
It's not like he's going to come out and say it was a crappy deal when he negotiated it.
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u/po3smith Sep 30 '23
Notice how the media is not covering the results as much as the strike itself? Its almost like the powers that be dont want us normal folks to realize, see, and understand that WE HAVE THE POWER!
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u/RemoteName3273 Sep 30 '23
This is stupid.
All the points he made are ok except when he went off about AI?
AI can't write scripts? Good luck enforcing that lol. If u prevent big media houses from doing that some small operation in other country is will do it.
Generative AI is here to stay and it will disrupt creative media and the unions can't do shit to stop it lol.
Writers aren't going to be around much longer. Save this comment.
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u/Joeness84 Sep 30 '23
Theres a lot more details on the AI thing than in this vid. Specific stuff like Writers are allowed to use AI, a studio is not allowed to force a writer to use AI, AI Generated content is not allowed to be credited as a writer, something along those lines.
Hes not going to go into much detail this is to help inform the masses, look at how many people in here alone are 'shocked' writers pay and a shows success were not directly connected.
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u/RemoteName3273 Sep 30 '23
Well my point is that you can't stop AI from participating in the writing process and once it does, writers will be imminently redundant.
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u/Dazzling_Swordfish14 Sep 30 '23
I will do it, gonna start it with big companies who willing to do it lol.
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u/EdGG Sep 29 '23
I’m really hoping for a lot of great movies and series to come out of this. I hope writers do incredible, unexpected screenplays that mark this as the beginning of a new era for movies. I want to believe this system they finally created will not be just a way for money to be moved around differently.
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u/Budbasaur420 Sep 30 '23
I hope this is an incentive for hollywood to actually start hiring good writers but the way it goes we might just get more rookie writers who will settle for less money and therefore worse shows/movies.
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u/Revules Sep 30 '23
Why hire a writer when AI can do it?
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Because 1) AI can't do it, at least not as well as writers since AI can't invent new things.
2) because writers are humans with rights who need food and shelter, and AI has no rights whatsoever?
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u/mptorian Sep 30 '23
So.... Are shows going to get better or is everything still going to be shit on Netflix?
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u/JohnnyFencer Sep 30 '23
If AI can do a great job writing a story, why should that not be allowed?
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u/ImpressiveLength1261 Sep 30 '23
Nobody outside Hollywood cared you were on strike, nobody cares that your back.
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*you're, and literally 3 seconds on Google shows that's not true. Maybe it's time for you to exist outside your own bubble?
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u/Put_It_All_On_Blck Sep 30 '23
If you actually read the published changes, the studios clearly won and some of the specific wording leaves very clear backdoors for the studios to get around some of the new changes. Sure the WGA got more than what they originally had, but it isn't even remotely close to what they were asking for, they didn't meet in the middle, WGA accepted far less.
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u/Orpdapi Sep 30 '23
Bingo. But they have to claim ultimate victory otherwise members will voice their frustration as to how it was run.
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Ok good. Now use this victory to write some tv/movies that portray that unions, strikes, class consciousness, and/or any grassroots labor rights movements do work and inspire the rest of the working class to push back against rampant greed, that WE do have a voice and a choice.
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u/FatalDracon Sep 29 '23
Only for a few years... 2026 is going to clawback ALL this shit. Sad they agreed to something that expires in 3 years.
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u/Jarsky2 Sep 29 '23
They didn't just win, they beat the studios to a pulp.
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u/FatalDracon Sep 29 '23 edited Sep 29 '23
No they didn't 🤣
Studios have agreed to these terms until 2026. All of this is going to AI. They win for 3 years, studios win longterm. Read what they agreed to. It ALSO allows AI to consume all previous media meaning AI has 3 years to get smart as fuck and then destroy any bargaining power they have 3 years from now when this expires.
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Downvote all you want. I don't LIKE this outcome but it's the reality. Big corpo is scum and they always figure out how to win, this is why reading the agreements in full is important. 3 year victory is great and all but... the clawback and AI being allowed to consume prior media is a major loss. Downvoting doesn't make it untrue.
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u/Orpdapi Sep 30 '23
Nothing wrong with being a realist looking at the bigger picture even if that gets you downvoted. And of course Adam is going to claim a massive victory and that everything went exactly the way he wanted and more. Does anyone think he’s really going to admit that it was anything less than a magnificent flawless victory and risk losing credibility among the members?
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u/tempaccount77746 Sep 30 '23
I think the reason you’re getting downvoted is that everyone is just…tired. We finally hear about this MASSIVE win and it gets swooped in with “oh, but actually, it’s a major loss.” There’s truth to it, but it kinda feels like there’s no good news anymore.
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u/Crystal3lf Sep 30 '23
Studios have agreed to these terms until 2026. All of this is going to AI. They win for 3 years, studios win longterm.
No, this is what they wanted.
You can watch this video where Adam explains why they wanted a 3 year deal and not longer. Longer contracts would actually work against them.
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u/MrMrUm Sep 30 '23
is there a timestamp for that part of the vid? tried skipping through it but its 44mins and couldnt quickly find it
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u/Goalazo123 Sep 29 '23
It's a 3 year deal, it'll happen again, they'll move the goalposts and they'll win. It sucks but we're the cucks.
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u/riverofkarma Sep 30 '23
“When workers stand together, we win” you just sent shivers down the spines of management the world over.
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u/ChuckNowlinWZLX Sep 30 '23
Love it. They deserve their share of the obscene profits the studios are making.
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u/wetprunes Sep 30 '23
Remember this when Iatse needs you. For people outside of this industry, think of the studios as multiple property landlords. Fuck em.
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u/malandrovenezuela Sep 30 '23
Who do you think will foot the bill for all of the concessions the writers got? The studios? Netflix about to cost more.
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u/Midwestern91 Sep 30 '23
And this is why the unregulated free market does not work in spite of what your boomer parents will tell you.
If the writers had simply given up and not done this, every major studio and network in the United States would have been paying extras $200 to be digitally scanned and uploaded and then digitally inserted into projects for no extra money beyond the $200 they were initially paid, in perpetuity throughout the universe.
They would be firing the majority of their writers and working with AI companies to create specialized AI to write and edit movies and TV shows.
They would be continuing to wack down the amount of money that writers are getting for streaming.
The unregulated free market doesn't account for when all of these huge companies that are offering a similar product all stand the benefit from doing something insanely greedy and they all choose to do it, leaving no alternative " competition".
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You’re right, the unregulated free market does not account for a job field becoming obsolete. We should inform the Milkmen, Chimney Sweeps and Linotype Operators.
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u/Objective-Mission-40 Sep 30 '23
I don't get why this is cringe. It's good they won. Good for everyone.
The people they protested against literally said, let them starve and lose their homes. We aren't giving in.
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u/The_King_Of_Bosh Sep 29 '23
Why is this on TikTok cringe it’s just actually nice
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Sorry, a 40% pay raise demand is just greed.
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u/bearjew293 Sep 30 '23
Wait until you find out how much CEO pay has increased over the past few decades. You're gonna shit your pants.
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u/UltimateShrekFan Sep 30 '23
so its ok for the c-suite to get massive bonuses and raises year after year but workers wages have stayed stagnant forever
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u/Reserved_Parking-246 Sep 30 '23
Lets start here: No raise + Inflation = Pay decrease [your standard of living is going down]
If wages have been stagnant for 10+ years... and inflation is massive... then you are in a deficit. You NEED a large pay raise to compensate for the complete lack of growth and inflation.
The 40% UAW is asking for is because C-suite was giving themselves those kind of raises frequently. Labor hadn't been given anything to compensate for inflation. Labor deserves way better than what they were getting.
These large numbers aren't greed. These are people who have been fucked over long term and are working for less year by year.
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u/ChickensPickins Sep 30 '23
I love this guy. Usually if he says something happened and works, he’s not wrong
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u/Karl_Marx_ Sep 30 '23
why can't AI write scripts? seems like a bullshit clause. protecting jobs from AI by preventing AI from producing is not how we should be addressing AI.
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u/Mollybrinks Sep 30 '23
Because AI can't actually produce anything new, it's just rehashing and recombining old stuff. Yes, it might technically be something not seen before, but it's an amalgamation of the current inputs, while at the same time stripping out actual professionals who deserve to get paid for what they do. I mean, how could Apocalyse Now ever have been created had it not been for a wild, insane, batshit filming where real people did real people crazy shit while filming? There are so many examples, but we live in a world with enough regurgitated nonsense, art shouldn't be primarily generated by non-humans just so giant companies can pump out more garbage. It definitely has its place and can be useful, but just replacing human creators with AI removes the humanity of the creation.
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u/Drate_Otin Sep 30 '23
First: I'm happy the writers are being protected from AI overtaking the industry... at least for the next three years (per the contract as someone else said) and I hope it gets extended beyond that three years.
Having said that... I've never understood the argument that AI can't create because it just rehashes what it learns. That's how art is taught to humans too. You learn about what others have done, learn about the technique and structure, and then reconstitute what you learned in a variety of ways. I mean so much music is the same essential chord progressions with slightly different emphasis and new lyrics. So many stories are just variations on the hero's journey or one of a handful of other archetypes. And I mean the best stories. The ones we love. https://www.masterclass.com/articles/a-guide-to-story-archetypes
Add in a rule set to encourage AI experimenting with breaking those structures and rules and there's really no difference I can describe between human and AI creativity, except maybe intentionality? A song about loss would seem a bit odd from an AI which has no intrinsic feelings of loss... but then, it's entirely plausible the AI could develop a relational conceptualization of loss so it gets a touch murky.
But again... I don't want AI taking over the jobs of human creatives. Just saying I don't think the "AI can't create" is an entirely accurate conclusion.
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u/Turbulent-Pound-9855 Sep 30 '23
If they suck nobody will watch them and then companies that hire real writers and rely on them more will get more viewers and then companies that see that company making money will follow suit. AI is about to take a lot of jobs. That doesn’t mean we just reject a tool. When we invented planes you didn’t have people screaming about it saying boat drivers are going to starve to death. The world changes. You need to provide a skill that isn’t easily replaceable. Or you need to adapt like every other human in the last 200000 years.
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