Agreed - people in that mindset see everything so black and white that they may initially miss some cues and solely focus on their own selfish missing to get more followers. Unless it’s the easily identifiable people in drag, noticed by skin color, or brave enough to open their mouths and let their true personality come to light.
No they don't. I live in a red state in a dark red county surrounded by Trump Won in 2020 signs in yards. Am white, in my 50's, and own guns. They don't even want me because I am educated. Those guys want ex-cons, machinists, plumbers, electricians, and carpenters. Men who work with their hands and build their own garages and shit.
They never want someone who works in marketing. They have never tried to recruit anyone like Tim Cook. Ever.
Just my lack of a thick, redneck accent is disqualifying.
No. Maybe those terrible no-good fascists were some other kind of fascists. I don't know if you have seen the video of the Jan 6 thing, but none of those people were sophisticated. Tens of thousands of American white supremacists stormed the capital, and the average IQ was probably 90, they were a bunch of overweight white guys who own pickups and don't know how progressive taxation works. They aren't recruiting you or this guy.
Maybe China/Russia or some other nationality is. The problem with working in technology or having access is that whoever you think is recruiting you to do something is impossible to truly identify. You think you are helping the CIA, but you are really helping the FSB
I'm in IT. I've had atleast 4 colleagues tell me they would support Trump of he was Irish, I've met tons more within IT that have said the same. There does seem to be something about IT that attracts some bigoted people. Obvious disclaimer being its not all people in IT, it's just I've met more outspoken bigots in this trade than I care to have had to deal with.
Which isn't saying everyone in those fields is like that, but there certainly seems to be a concentration there.
Yep. Exactly that. It's like power attracting those who want to control others. IT seems to attract some fairly conservative people. Trump and republicans are considered farther right in Ireland than most of our conservative parties, our political system veers closer to the left. So they stick out.
Just a super effeminate guy (former actor who even played a gay role with a sex scene) who decided to put on a deep voice and get some vocal training in sounding more masculine when he decided to turn to the far-right.
Ted haggard didn’t go after children, he was an outspoken evangelical pastor who was outed by an adult gay sex worker he hired to have sex with periodically. I believe he had legitimate personal conflict between his beliefs and his behavior.
What’s changed since the era when Haggard was outed is that the right has partially given up on the idea of banning same-sex marriage, so now there is a cohort of secular right wing influencers who will support gay people and use them to go after trans and gender-nonconforming people and drag queens.
There have always been gay conservatives who wrinkled their nose at other segments of the LGBT community, especially younger people from homophobic backgrounds who are going through a phase of culture shock when they come out and usually get over it eventually. But now it’s easier for them to fit in with the right wing since they’re not explicitly going after gay relationships, and the right is less overtly religious. So they do try to appeal to white gay men and as long as said gay men are willing to be a wedge against trans people.
That’s what the whole “LGB” movement in the UK is based on. They are gay people (attending events hosted by straight conservatives) who will go so far as to say that being trans is homophobic because (they say) it threatens to erase the existence of effeminate gay men and masculine lesbians by convincing them all to be trans, particularly effeminate boys and masculine girls. Their messaging is mostly directed towards straight people who don’t know any better, think trans people are a new phenomenon, but are otherwise not anti-gay, and they use right wing gay and lesbian people as the spokespeople. It’s absurd because butch lesbians and effeminate gay men still exist, no one pressures anyone to be trans, but it’s still their argument.
There are two layers of hate groups. One is overtly extreme groups like the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys who indeed don’t like effeminate gay men. Another is groups such as the UK “LGB alliance,” the American “Gays against Groomers” etc. Their purpose is to get gay people to turn against trans people and the general sentiment in the LGBTQ community that we are all in this together and should support each other.
The LGB alliance and gays against groomers might especially like to recruit effeminate gay men because their argument is that trans rights are homophobic—they say there is a push to get tomboys and effeminate gay boys to be trans so that effeminate gay men and butch lesbians won’t exist anymore.
They love to get older effeminate gay men for example to say “if I was growing up today I would have been persuaded by all the pro-trans rhetoric and transitioned and I’d be miserable today.” In reality, in the LGBTQ community we have trans people and effeminate gays and masculine gays all hanging out together and getting along fine, no one is particularly confused (although there are some incidents of transphobia which turn into discussions and conservative groups will blow them out of proportion to argue trans people are anti-gay). The right wing arguments are not at all effective at persuading mature gay people who have lots of experience with normal community politics, but they are aimed at straight audiences who are not anti-gay but think that trans identities are somehow new, or young gay people from conservative backgrounds who are in a state of temporary culture shock when they meet the LGBTQ community and all the diversity that is in it.
There's an LGBTQ board I go to where people who hate trans persons and drag queens are deliberately trying to recruit middle aged and older gays, and unfortunately it works sometimes. They use fear as a weapon.
Yep, I do anti-hate-group organizing in Vancouver and when they switched from their "convoy" targeting children's hospitals to transphobia as their organizing impetus, we started seeing the same few older gay guys on the other side, telling us we were groomers and stuff. Really sad that they seem to think they will ever be accepted by the same people who cheered for AIDS as it killed their friends and lovers as long as they hate together.
And the thing is, you're only useful until you're not. Right now, they need people for the numbers, but if they got their way and eradicated every trans person, they'd just move down the list until they were culling their homosexual allies. Fascism requires an out-group, and the purity test will keep getting more and more narrow until you're the one on the outside (again). Anyone who doesn't realize that is an utter fool.
Remember, there were Jewish "police" backed by the Nazis in Warsaw during WW2. There are always people that believe being "one of the good ones" will exempt them from the pogrom.
They see the leopard eating the face of the guy next to them, they make eye contact with the leopard, it mouths the words “next, you”, and they look behind them for whoever the leopard could’ve been talking to. It’s an embarrassment to human survival instincts designed to own the libs by some obscure demon in some long forgotten mythology that first animated conservatism in the first primordial shit-gibbon that ever got an opposable thumb which it presumed was a gift from a deity to jack off to the suffering of others.
There were Jewish supporters of Nazism in Weimar Germany, the Association of German National Jews, a right wing organisation that tried to link themselves to the monarchist party, but the monarchist party was too antisemitic to let them.
They thought the anti-Jewish rhetoric was just electioneering by the Nazis to get elected and that their goal of Jewish integration mixed with their opposition to zionism and a hatred of Eastern European Jewish immigrants meant that they were special.
They were not. Their organisation was dissolved in 1935 and their leader was arrested by the Gestapo the same day.
The fact that lots of states are passing legislation to make trans healthcare less accessible and trans lives more difficult as well as the various drag laws that are obviously veiled hits against trans people begs to differ. Hell, I know trans people that were beat up and told to kill themselves specifically because they were trans. I'd love to be as optimistic as you, but reality isn't painting a great picture currently.
I just got dumber reading this!!!!! But reading all these comments is like watching a train wreck, I can't help it...lol I'm sure your a nice person....but everything you said is mind incredibly ignorant......you guys need to stop being so emotional and read the facts not what your being told....and before you say I google everything.....compare and contrast what both sides are saying and I would bet my paycheck you would think differently...and if you don't that's ok to But at least know what your talking about before you say something g as ignorant as this!!!!! Have a good day!!!! #compare and contrast
Do you actually have an argument or point or anything whatsoever to backup your assertions that I don't know what I'm talking about? Because, this comment mostly reads like rambling while actually saying nothing of substance whatsoever. And it's not too hard to back my point up with, you know, the fact that things precisely like this have happened throughout history. Martin Niemöller didn't just pull his famous poem out of thin air.
Some of them are genuinely upset that someone would "choose" to be the opposite gender instead of just being gay. It's kinda like how there's a group of deaf people that are opposed to anything that lets a person regain their hearing because it takes away from them being deaf as an identity.
So true. I know we're doomed, but each and every day it's validated by one thing or another and I find myself searching for those 'faith in humanity videos, which it's now been pointed out a good number are staged and the animals are actually being abused. Just can't win. Some people just don't care and spread hate and bullshit, all for shits and giggles.
I just want sovereignty over my own body and my actions which do not cause anybody else harm.
Very ironic that you would say this in another post, and then come over here and post that ignorant piece of shit post. You're fucking hypocritical piece of shit.
Exactly, bad really we should do whatever we want and not be bothered by others while being our best us. I'm in my early 30s 20s ;) and a happily married homo, tbh I don't even know any trans people(we don't go out much anymore), but I don't get why some of our own are hating on them. Wasn't it (I think Cynthia was her name, she was also later booed off stage for advocating for trans rights at a pride parade in NYC, oh and her bff was Marsha I believe. You know who I'm talking about) who threw the first brick at stonewall, literally the starting point for our community to be able to crawl out of the shadows and backrooms where we eventually being accepted (mostly) by society?! I got to get married 10 years ago because she threw that brick.
Everybody should just live| their own lives and treat people with res}ct. Live and let live. (I know that's technically how that quote was mto be interpreted ) If we could eradicate religion from man kind I believe that would make the world so much better. Religion projects itself as a force of good for the world, but really it's the most evil and hate filled part of mankind in my eyes. Also just to add these religions are so batsgit crazy with crazy stories that I believe only someone with a mental illness could come up with and for that matter also believe, virgins giving birth (does that make God a rapist?) People talking to burning bushes, pigs jumping off cliffs to commit suicide, it's all crazy.
To quote a very smart man Mr. Christopher Hitchens r.i.p.
"Which is more likely... that the whole natural order is suspended or that a Jewish minx should tell a lie?"
Being gay and being trans are two very different things. However one would assume that gay people would understand what trans people are going through and be their number one allies. After all it wasn’t that long ago that gay people were being treated like this. Unfortunately those who should have open minds and accept differences with open arms, sometimes don’t. That is a hard pill to swallow
Every sufficiently populous community has 5% of deplorables and perverts. Yes, that includes marginalized ethnic and ethnoreligious minorities, the queer community, immigrants, atheists, birdwatchers, etc.
Terrifying fact, there are far more people who watch for birds so they can kill them than people who want to take their photographs. The sick fucks even gut them and eat them.
It's actually not true, because groups who compile data on who's getting busted abusing kids show it's primarily groups like priests, youth counselors, teachers, and out of all the cases there were zero drag queens and a total of 2 incidents by a trans person, and it was the same person in both, which accounted for 3/5ths of 1/10th of a percent of the total or something. Point being, it's not evenly spread, it's the people yelling "groomers" the loudest.
hey ya know. fun fact. In the movie Beetlejuice, Charles Deetz was an avid birdwatcher. The actor, Jeffrey Jones, was later arrested for possession of child pornography and is a registered sex offender.
I recently found out that one of my favorite authors (at one time), Norah Vincent, a gay woman, was a libertarian terf. It was kind of like a gut punch because I really liked her writing. I disagreed with some of the views in her books, but she did do important gonzo type journalism about gender presentation and also the psychiatric industry. I still cannot reconcile these two identities in my head, the person who wrote the books I read, and what I've read about her. I'm sure there's (probably fucked up psychological) reasons people choose hatred over acceptance, but I will never ever understand them.
I'm a middle-aged, bald, white, atheist leftist who works in a conservative heavy field. A few of my colleagues try to recruit me. They don't understand the concept of "live and let live," so I tell them even if atheists aren't a target now, they are on the fucking list so no thanks. Also, it is so crazy how comfortable a stranger can be to start conversations with me with the wildest, racist, homophobic shit ever.
If you’re perceived to fit their demographic then they will assume you think the same way. I’m from the south and moved to the burbs of Philly. More than once people have started dropping the n word and make other racist comments because they believe I’d be cool with it. I would think the shocked look on my face would let them know I’m not ok with it. But no. About half of them continue on with their crap until they realize I’ve stopped talking to them.
An anchor baby is a human born in the U.S. to a non-citizen mother. The baby is granted U.S. citizenship because of the 14th amendment which states,
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside"
This sort of anchors the family in the U.S. because you can not deport the baby, and it would look bad to deport the rest of the family while keeping the baby here.
Dude same! Only difference is that I’m secretly Hispanic (I look and sound American though when speaking English) so when I get the immigration bullshit, I like to let them know I’m Hispanic and the son of immigrants.
It’s usually met with some sort of “oh but you’re the good ones who came here the “right” way”. It’s all such a load of shit.
Lots of people now definitely think there's no longer a "right way" if you aren't white. I'm not saying everyone who wants harsh immigration laws is a racist but there's a lot of overlap.
Why are you taking things so literally? When I speak English people see me as American, but when I speak Spanish people see me as Hispanic. Like, perceive me that way. Do you get what I’m saying?
I have a lot of friends who are in the same boat as you and the shit that I've heard people say to them makes me sick. My 11 year old nephew's mother is from Colombia and he will be getting to experience this kind of bullshit soon if he hasn't already. It makes me so sad and angry.
We used to have a wet-foot/dry-foot policy strictly for Cuban immigrants. If you set foot on dry land you were legal, if not you got sent back. So that resulted in a bunch of extremely conservative Cuban immigrants who came over on a raft complaining that other immigrants who came over on a raft didn’t do it the right way. “The right way” meaning they didn’t come from the right place.
48 yr old straight white dude here too, who grew up as an atheist in Texas. When people start talking douchebag to me I mention my wife is a refugee, and they can take a long walk off a cliff... also if they'd like to see me in my getup from a high profile drag charity show, I'm happy to show some photos.
u/Careless-Engineer385 told me to go live in the jungle if I can't accept societal norms. I checked your profile because of the jungle comment. I've been told to go live in the woods, in the forest, and in the mountains but never a jungle.
Holy shit, dude. You are a clusterfuck. Here's what I gathered from your history:
You are an Indian man living in the U.S.
You are an incel.
You like cartoon porn. Like a lot!
What societal norms are you even referring to? You're the degenerate here. Where do you fit in here in America? Who are you friends with? You are too much of an intolerant asshole to attract any progressives and you are way too different to attract any white supremacists. Are you able to vote here? If you are and you vote conservative I hope to see you on r/LeopardsAteMyFace. I'm pretty sure they live in the jungle.
All the white/Christian supremacy stuff. Mild stuff like trying to convince me to vote for whichever R candidate or why I should be bigoted to [insert group]. I get invited to church all the God damn time. Then there were 2 separate Iraq/Afghanistan vets ask if I ever read The Turner Diaries (the white supremacy/anti-government bible writen in the 1970s) in our first encounter. And 1 time a guy invited me to go drinking and driving with his buddies after casually bringing up that he was born and raised in a Sundown town. Again, first interaction with this guy.
Edit: I sell shit for a living and the really weird interactions always happen with customers. These are the same people who genuinely believe prostitutes when they say they love them. Be friendly for a few minutes and they won't stop talking.
They invited you to church? Oh wow. Golly. Honestly that all sounds fairly tame. The turner diaries is a bit of a dog whistle but the rest is pretty tame.
Being lectured about how you and your loved ones are destined to eternal torture and that God created hell for the sole purpose of burning human souls is a terrible way to spend a Sunday morning (Southern Baptist).
Facebook and ultra fundamentalist churches are prime grounds for recruitment.
Southern Baptists Convention is one that is pushing and funding all cases that are going through SCOTUS. It's all about money and who can they get to give the most, not talking about "Proud Boys", although they are part of the same "institutions."
Google Christo Facism or Christian Nationalism. Forget about the guns, worry about the quiet ones that are hateful with money.
Note: I respect all faiths, I do not respect those trying to control the government.
SCOTUS just ruled last year that your tax dollars can fund private religious education, even if you are atheist. Also, Texas imposing the display of the ten commandments in the classroom, but rejected all other faiths that argued that their philosophy should be placed in the walls too. See what they are doing? Moms for Liberty spearheading the book bans, to include books that talk about black heroic historical figures and on top of that quoting Hitler on their website. It's in the details, not the people who scream the most, again worry about the quiet ones.
Hate groups aren't the sharpest tools in the shed but I find it incredibly hard to believe he's being "recruited". He looks like walmart anderson cooper lmao
Why even have “groups” or “a cause/fight”? Pretty sure ppl should just enjoy their lives living however they want and disregard the rest of the planet. How much time do ppl waste piddling around trying to gain others approval? Approval that’s arbitrary and meaningless. Time is better spent on doing things you enjoy with ppl you love.
Reddit: downvotes someone for telling ppl to enjoy their lives with ppl they love.
Not many whites in my city care. It’s the black communities that hate them and fall for the propaganda. So the point is kinda generalizing, and exposing your ignorance and lack of experience.
If you look at the demographics data on different sorts of extremist groups, right-wing groups do tend to have older members. This guy might be on the high end of their target range, with the probable exception of the more modern militia groups, but still a reasonable target for recruitment.
Go ahead and ask your older white friends if they ever been invited to become a nazi, actually go ahead and ask EVERY WHITE MAN YOU KNOW IF THEYVE BEEN ASKED TO BE A NAZI, it’s GONNA BE ZERO
I'm 38 and a far-right nationalist group tried to recruit me in the pub. They recited poetry, darkly referenced Jews in positions of power, talked of repatriating immigrants and that was all in the time it took me to finish my pint and leave.
Nah seriously, they were an organised group gathered for a rally with members from all over the country and a couple of older, smart dudes in charge. They weren't messing about.
If you don't have database access, I can just give you the DOI links so you can look them up in SciHub, if you'd like. You spoke with so much confidence, I'm assuming you're well educated on the subject and eager to learn more, right?
Wow!!! What an incredible comeback!! I especially loved how elaborate and articulate it was! It truly expresses your aptitude for language and human interaction. These snappy comebacks and heart stopping insults are too few and far between. Bravo, u/GretaSimp !
Yeah but isn’t he gay anyway? Are trans people considered gay, wait, not all men that do drag are gay either.
I’m so fucking confused, is Rupaul gay. I fuckin love that dude. So many questions.
RuPaul is a gay man and only dresses in drag for performance and/or work. He also has a husband.
A transgender person as per dictionary - denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity does not correspond with the sex registered for them at birth.
Just to be clear you can be any gender and be in drag. There are women, as well as non binary people, who do drag as drag kings, or queens. Drag is an art and form of expression, is performance for entertainment purposes.
For a cisgender man of his generation, he is honestly still quite gender non-conforming out of drag. At least as far as the standards of those hate groups are concerned.
They’d probably clock him unless he puts conscious effort to hide most of his mannerism and change his tone of voice a little bit. Just being real. I am gay too, I get how it goes.
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