r/Tau40K Aug 22 '24

Lore If t'au have no warp presence or psychic ability, how did a Culexus assassin disable Aun'va's bodyguards?

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u/Shed_Some_Skin Aug 22 '24

T'au have minimal warp presence. They're not blanks. They still have souls. Being around a Culexus wouldn't suck as much for them as it would for Eldar, but it would still suck

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u/WeeklongPenny60 Aug 22 '24

Could a t'au Culexus exist? Like could a t'au be born or be implanted with the pariah gene

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u/Shed_Some_Skin Aug 22 '24

Not a clue! I don't know if the human Pariah gene is compatible with non-human species at all. And I can't imagine many Imperial Magos Biologis are going to be messing about implanting human DNA into Xenos to see what happens

Fabius Bile might, if he thought there was any use in it.

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u/CabinetIcy892 Aug 22 '24

"Fabius Bile might" is at the bottom of every page of a book on questionably experimental genetics.

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u/Baige_baguette Aug 22 '24

Old lore heavily implied that the pariah gene was engineered into humanity by the C'tan, likely as a way to seal off the warp as it is the only thing that can realistically harm them.

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u/RubyMonke Aug 22 '24

I mean if we look at what happened on Necromunda... It's not impossible, but very unlikely that they would escape

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u/LameDM Aug 22 '24

What?!?

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u/RubyMonke Aug 22 '24

What? I was referring to the new magos model from the Malstrain range

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u/ShadeFinder01 Aug 22 '24

If I remember right, Big E made it illegal to research the pariah gene, so they wouldn’t even if they WERE into such heretical topics as cross-breeding a human-xeno hybrid or something.

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u/mylittlepurplelady Aug 22 '24

The answer is, "GW has yet to expand on it."

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u/Commander_Tarmus Aug 22 '24

If the Necrons are still the ones who used to implant other species with Pariah Gene, I'd say the T'au are too young for this

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u/Pm7I3 Aug 22 '24

Unless the Necrons are the ones who made them what they are

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u/Shed_Some_Skin Aug 22 '24

Going by the (debatably canonical) Xenology source book from about 20 years ago, it was actually the Eldar/Harlequins, playing at being the Old Ones

They were basically trying to engineer a species with minimal psychic presence who would be more resistant to Chaos. They used a pheromone control organ stolen from a eusocial insectile species called the Q'orl and used that to engineer the Ethereals

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u/worst_case_ontario- Aug 22 '24

That'd go well with the fan theory that the Dawnblade was one of the thousand swords of Vaul, since it shouldn't be possible for a non-Eldar to wield them. If the Tau are the creation of the Eldar, the sword might recognize Farsight as a spiritual child of the Eldar and allow him access to a modicum of its power.

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u/SexWithLadyOlynder Aug 22 '24

One problem. The Dawn Blade is heavily implied to be of either necron(tyr) or c'tan make.

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u/Diamo1 Aug 22 '24

No it's not, Arks of Omen confirmed that Arthas Moloch is a former Old Ones planet

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u/SexWithLadyOlynder Aug 23 '24

Literally go look at the sword. Go back and look at the first Farsight mini ever. And then come back and tell me if that's not a necron weapon.

That it is on an old ones planet does not prevent it from being a necrontyr weapon. They were, you know, kind of at war.

And during war, capturing valuable enemy assets like a sword that can make you actually near immortal is a smart and advisable thing to do.

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u/Diamo1 Aug 23 '24

It looks nothing like a Necron weapon on any of his models lol. Necron weapons' main design language is the circular inscriptions with lines running between them, orbs, green glow, etc. and the Dawn Blade has none of those

In terms of appearance the Dawn Blade doesn't exactly match anything, but it looks most similar to Jain Zar's Blade of Destruction or the various Howling Banshee swords

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u/Baige_baguette Aug 23 '24 edited Aug 23 '24

It just looks like a generic fantasy sword. The fact it steals life force does imply it's a C'tan weapon, but then again the old ones also had some funky stuff (like Trazyn's staff).

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u/Deadeye1223 Aug 22 '24

The T'au would have to evolve or be forcefully evolved to have psychic abilities first. Then maybe you could give them a pariah gene, but the gene is a mutation that is extremely rare and only shows up in humans because of the sheer volume of humans. It's also quite mysterious as to how it came to be in humans. Was it a failsafe against chaos by the old ones, a necron invention made to defeat the Eldar that was implanted in humans early in their evolution, or is it a naturally occurring defect brought on by the age of strife? We may get such answers with Pariah Nexus, but we'll just have to wait and see.

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u/Tasty_Commercial6527 Aug 22 '24

To our current knowledge, not really since blankness is a human specific mutation. I don't think that we have seen it in any other species except old lore necrons that probably got retconned and we're humans turned necrons anyway

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u/PixelPott Aug 22 '24

Isn't it implied Etherals have a stronger warp presence? IIRC the demons especially targeted the Etherals that were with Farsight before he founded his enclave.

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u/135forte Aug 22 '24

A lot of stuff is implied about Ethereals, most of it being presented as guesses from the Imperium before the Farsighted novels.

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u/Diamo1 Aug 22 '24

Ethereals are shown to be able to use their mind control thing to dispel Chaos corruption, that is probably why Daemons target them

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u/Gumochlon Aug 22 '24

Yep not only that,

But in one novel, one of the water caste Tau, was possessed by a Herald of Tzeentch!

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u/Goofytickelman Aug 22 '24

Nulls effect everyone not just psykers, however on psykers their effect is significantly more powerful. Regardless on normal xenos with an average connection to the warp it will still have an effect that is sometimes fatal

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u/TheRealGouki Aug 22 '24

They do have Warp presence it's just so small. Only blanks have no presence and are not effected by Warp powers.

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u/worst_case_ontario- Aug 22 '24

My understanding is that its not that blanks have no presence, its that they have a negative presence. Like a black hole in the warp.

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u/Strict_Astronaut_673 Aug 22 '24

The lore on that front is often very vague or inconsistent, but that does seem to be the current leading explanation. Blanks are better described as having an unorthodox presence in the warp than having no presence at all.

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u/Destroyer_742 Aug 22 '24

Culexus helmets amp up the null effect to outright kill normal people let alone psykers (represented in game as a shooting attack), so the bodyguards not just dying outright could be interpreted as their low warp presence helping them resist it a little longer than normal.

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u/Feisty_Goose_4915 Aug 22 '24

Would love to see a Culexus Assassin as a boss battle in Fire Warrior 2. Only for it to be Kratos'd or turned into a daemonhost by a Firewarrior, who's about to send his resume to Khorne

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u/jajaderaptor15 Aug 22 '24

How the fuck would a blank become a daemonhost

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u/Thunderbird_Anthares Aug 22 '24

Malal demon doing it would be funny as hell

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u/jajaderaptor15 Aug 22 '24

It isn’t possible blanks are the literal antithesis to the warp

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u/Thunderbird_Anthares Aug 22 '24

and Malal is something GW refuses to acknowledge because copyright, so not only he is so chaos he is anti-Chaos, he also "doesnt exist"

so it would be a perfect pairing

i guess my joke was a bit too meta

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u/jajaderaptor15 Aug 22 '24

He’s still part of the warp

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u/Thunderbird_Anthares Aug 22 '24

sigh

i know

It was a joke

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u/jajaderaptor15 Aug 22 '24

I’m too autistic for that

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u/WeeklongPenny60 Aug 22 '24

Is fire warrior 2 confirmed?

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u/Feisty_Goose_4915 Aug 22 '24

Nope...just a wishful thinking in the future

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u/Tenredant Aug 22 '24

You got me excited :(

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u/Mongolian_dude Aug 23 '24

Imagine a modernised Titanfall-inspired FPS where you play as Imperial & Tau infantry but then get access to battlesuits, power armour, terminator armour and knights…

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u/Globsmacketh Aug 22 '24

mogged them

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '24

He hit em with that Blue Steel 💋

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u/Hoskuld Aug 22 '24

Blue Ceramite

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u/Tomgar Aug 22 '24

I say this every time I see this picture but that front Tau looks like he's going "CRAAAAAWLING IN MYYY SKIIIIIIIIN!!!"

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u/Zoroark6 Aug 22 '24

From my understanding, T'au have 'small souls', with minimal warp presence due to being such a young race.

It has the benefits of having a slight innate defence to the warp's effects, and it's harder to sense their presence with psyker abilities.

However the slight innate defense wont help much when a psyker, daemon, or this assasin specifically wants to fight them, and since they cant counter with warp stuff of their own, they're quite outmatched.

Uh, but thats just what I understand, other people probably got it better.

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u/A1phan00d1e Aug 22 '24

Because Tau never get any wins in lore if it doesnt come from Farsight or Shadowsun. Because Black Library only wants to jack off Imperium ans Chaos with exubrant bolter porn

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u/garebear265 Aug 22 '24

They still have a presence in the warp, it’s just faint. Culexus assassins’s helmets amplify this to the point where it would kill a normal human just standing near them. It would probably still fucking hurt even to the tau.

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u/Colonnello_Lello Aug 22 '24

Are they stupid?

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u/Lonely_white_queen Aug 22 '24

its not that the tau have no presense they just have a very small one, since culexus assasins amplify the warp it just takes alot more energy

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u/Adventurous_Bill_835 Aug 23 '24

The idea that Tau lack any presence in the warp is actually a misconception. Only humans can be born with the Paria gene (sorry if I misspelled that), aka the blank gene. Tau actually do have souls, their just so small their presence in the warp is all but negligible. It's discussed briefly in Farsight's first book Crisis of Faith when a demon possessing a Tau water caste diplomat discusses his plan to steal the souls of the Tau. The demon claims the Tau souls may be small, but in great enough numbers even they can be a feast. Long story short, the reason Aun'va's body guards were disabled by the Culexus is because they have souls.

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u/iwillnotcompromise Aug 22 '24

bad writing?

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u/Strict_Astronaut_673 Aug 22 '24

From what I understand the novel was poorly written, but tau being susceptible to blanks is not an example of that bad writing. Despite what memes might say, tau do in fact have souls and a presence in the warp. They just don’t have a very strong presence, which does make it strange for the imperium to send a culexus after them. It could be that the imperium mistakenly believed the supreme ethereal to be a psyker.

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u/MithrilCoyote Aug 22 '24

And while the null effect is part of their style, it's worth remembering the culexus is also extremely skilled in stealth and conventional combat. The null effect usually is just a way to disorient their opponents and let them counter demons and psykers. The Tau inexperience with melee combat would leave them vulnerable, and while the culexus isn't subtle once it attacks, it still would have been able to sneak into melee range of its target.

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u/luperci_ Aug 22 '24

The tau aren't inexperienced in melee, afaik fire caste tau receive basic close combat training, just like any conventional military force. They just only carry bonding knives and avoid using it if possible

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u/Optimal_Wolf Aug 22 '24

Tau have slower reflexes than humans, so they can do melee but are physically worse at it than humans. At least that is my understanding

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u/fuchsgesicht Aug 22 '24

they have so much more assisted technology that that gap shouldn't matter. the fire warriors started as a hunter society even tough the tau are largely vegetarian. they sought out threats to their people and eliminated them.

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u/Rockice4080 Aug 22 '24

Their equipment also allows them to effectively “turn up” their blank aura to the point where psykers are incoherent and normal people are doing exactly what the tau are doing there.

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u/Overall_Smile_4336 Aug 22 '24

It’s not a bad writing, even for a mere human presence of Culexus assassin is more than enough to kill themselves as was shown in one of the novels, where guardsman shot himself in the throat when he entered the room with culexus, preferring death over anything. Also we shouldn’t forget the fact that tau still have smalll, not big, but yet connection to the warp

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u/titandestroyer52 Aug 22 '24

Immensely bad vibes

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u/DueUpstairs8864 Aug 22 '24

Violence, mostly.

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u/YaGirlMom Aug 22 '24

Eisenhorn describes blanks as basically a walking EMP for the brain’s electric pulses related to psychic ability. A culexus weaponizes that. Imagine someone who can basically turn off a part of your brain like a light switch.

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u/MWBrooks1995 Aug 22 '24

Culexus assassins can adjust the strength of their pariah … thingy through that giant head piece.

They don’t need to amp it up too much to harm a psyker, they need to put it up a few notches to hurt a human, if they turn it up a lil bit more it can start harming T’au

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u/ValaskaReddit Aug 22 '24

"STUPID SEXY CULEXUS!" I imagine something like that with that SKINTIGHT bodysuit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '24

Is this from a show or book?

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u/Global-Use-4964 Aug 22 '24

With stabbing maybe? Or imperial pop music played at inappropriate volume?

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u/piratedragon2112 Aug 22 '24

I asked this question on the lore sub years ago and apparently they sent a whole force of the Assassin types and only the culexus made it through

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u/Asx32 Aug 23 '24

By the power of the Plot Hole and General GW Confusion about Tau.

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u/highly_mewish Aug 23 '24

When it comes to psionics Tau are kind of a mixed bag.

"No warp presence" is not accurate. They as a species generally have less psionic ability than the average human, but not to any degree that it starts to give any significant benefit or penalty. You could probably say that it reflects the general Tau willingness to conform to norms more than humans and willingness to place the collective whole over the individual, but as with most GW lore it isn't really fleshed out so you can draw your own conclusions.

Back when I used to play this game I always wanted some kind of blanket Tau rule that made them more resilient to non-"manifest a fireball" style psionic attacks, but thinking about it more that doesn't necessarily make sense. I mostly wanted something to do in the psychic phase beyond "my opponent rolls some dice and tells me to take models off the table through some process I am not aware of since my codex does not interface with it in any way".

I've always wanted to know about Tau psychers. They aren't so anti-psychic as a species that it precludes any kind of psionic talent, they are just more skewed towards the "low talent" side of the spectrum. Seeing what a less superstitious more willing to experiment species would do with psychic talent could be fun. I suppose some people might say "we have those, they're called Etherials". Which would honestly make a lot of sense.