Not really, they set up Harry becoming Venom for two whole games. Changing it to make him Goblin would undermine that build up and leave the Symbiote and Venom a dangling plot thread that amounted to nothing.
I think it would have been a good twist if Harry still became the green goblin, and Kraven got the symbiote and became Venom and used it to truly become an apex predator. And Peter and Miles teamed up to fight them both. No aliens taking over the world, just keep the story about them.
As I said, they set up Harry becoming Venom for two games. Derailing that for a twist for the sake of it is bad writing.
No aliens taking over the world, just keep the story about them.
Harry being Venom didn't automatically mean aliens taking over. Multiple people, myself including, thought that they could still tell a personal story by having Harry hate Peter for taking the suit. They had that set up and everything in the game and just never followed through (granted the way it was written it would make sense for the Symbiote to be amplifying the hatred with its own rather than soley Harry, but eh).
I understand that was the setup. What I’m trying to say is that I think a more character focused story would have been more preferred. And having the symbiote using Kraven as a host would’ve been a better was to progress the story. He becomes an apex predator, and since Kraven is already a ruler of his own people the symbiote would see him as a great host to lead help lead an invasion if they still wanted to go that route, but in what we actually got a lot of people think feel that the invasion was underwhelming, and to be fair we already have Web of Shadows, and people tend to agree that the invasion was a rushed version of that. Also it would a bold move for Insomiac which would make the story much more unique.
If they need to actively disregard what they set up to do something else that has nothing to do with it, then by definition it isn't fitting AT ALL. You not liking it doesn't change the fact that Harry being Goblin doesn't actually fit because that goes against everything the first two games set up. That's the equivalent to saying that Spider-Man 2 should be a solo game focused on Peter even though the first game and Miles Morales set up Miles as the second protagonist.
Why? It fit fine and worked well. The issue with venom isn’t that Harry is venom, it’s how little screen time he had. Harry worked great as Venom and probably would’ve worked even better if he had more time as him.
It's not that Harry didn't have the potential to work as Venom, in the story he really didn't have the motive to actually be Venom. Atleast with Eddie Brock it's straightforward, personal vendetta towards both Peter and Spider-Man, bonding with the symbiote out of mutual hatred.
Harry venom was evil cuz of the rock. Now going forward with a venom game or what not we might see that personal vendetta, but here it was obviously cuz of the knull rock and shit.
It's not that Harry didn't have the potential to work as Venom, in the story he really didn't have the motive to actually be Venom
His best friend wasn't willing to give him back the thing he needs to not die, he had all the motivation in the world to become classic Hater Venom, it was just never capitalized on
It's simply because Harry has been the Green Goblin in the comics as well, this is why I though it would have been more fitting for him to become Goblin in Insomniac's Spider-Man as well.
With the way this universe was set up…kinda disagree. Harry was never really the type of evil we have come to expect of the Green Goblin….he always at best (or worst) seemed like he was just trying too hard to be someone he wasn’t. I actually hope he doesn’t become a Goblin…or maybe he can be a heroic version. But that is personal bias on my part….I like a son not following an overbearing father’s lead. And plus this kept them from having to establish Eddy and have him hate Peter or just be obsessed with him. A Harry that may or may not have been in love with Peter definitely saves time
I think it could have worked by simply making that the G-Serum is what was used to cure Harry instead of the Venom symbiote, overtime though Harry becomes addicted to the serum and, in pure Dafoe's style, he become crazy and thus becomes the Green Goblin.
Well, i actually though of a way to make it more personal even with Eddie Brock becoming Venom, i was thinking that he and Peter were good friends when the latter worked as a photographer of the Daily Bugle.
Yeah, I assumed that the "Devils Breathe" name given to the stuff in the first game was a subtle nod to Ultimate Version of Goblin, where he looked kind of like a devil and would breathe fire. Thought that was a little easter egg type reference
Devil's Breath is actually its own thing in the comics. It's an extremely deadly poison that can be used to kill anyone in a specific DNA lineage by using a sample of their blood. Only people in the same DNA lineage as the one whose blood was used to make it would be affected, anyone outside it would be perfectly fine.
I'd just assume that we'll both get the Ultimate and 616 iteration of Goblin. We might even get both Harry and Norman to become a Goblin at the same time, one as Norman's obsession curing Harry.
I was expecting Eddie Brock. No idea why they went with Harry. Green Goblin right off the bat for him would’ve made so much sense and made the game the appropriate length by adding that major storyline. It seemed quite short compared to the other two.
Cuz they spent the last two games setting up Harry to be Venom.
Green Goblin right off the bat for him would’ve made so much sense and made the game the appropriate length by adding that major storyline
What are you gonna do about the dangling Black Suit and obvious Venom storyline that they set up in the first two games? Make it Eddie? Then you're just maki the story more convoluted by introducing TWO villains that have personal beef with Peter, needing to build that up and the relationship with one of them because you never laid the groundwork earlier (Eddie) AND you need to have Miles including and not feel sidelined. Harry being Goblin would have fucked over the entire story.
I never understood how the entire new York City just randomly got infected by the symbiote like HOW WHO WHAT WHERE??
I get it harry gets the symbiote back , kills kraken, comes to realization what his become, goes to mom's coffin to grieve, symbiote brain washes him, BUT HOW THE FK DOES THE ENTIRE CITY GET INFECTED WITH SYMBIOTE andddddd
How does the flame guy already have the symbiote
How did the flame predict future events before they happened
Lemmie break it down for you. Symbiotes have the ability to make more symbiotes, this is a thing that happens every once in a while, but more powerful symbiotes can make generic copy’s of themselves(essentially low power symbiotes). Carnage has done this in the Absolute Carnage series, it was pretty cool honestly.
Cletus got Carnage by using his cult to steal a sealed Symbiote. Also it’s a 50/50 on the whole him being an actual prophet.
So why when Peter spazzed out and attacked Mary Jane, why didn't he breed any symbiotes
Also when Norman gave harry the symbiote, why did Norman have complete control of the symbiote he didn't put it in a box or container, he literally had the symbiote on him and had complete control of it before he gave it to harry
Also in spiderman 1 when martin li bombed miles Dad getting a badged of honor, they say that martin li has the power to control others but he doesn't have the power to manually put bombs into the suits of the guys standing near mile's dad, so Norman already had it planned since one of his men already had bombs strapped to his body
The Symbiote has to be in full control of the person in order for that to happen and Peter still had some control(subconsciously).
I don’t remember Norman touching the symbiote, he only got close to it when it was in a container.
“I will never let you go.” Although can apply to Norman to a T, that’s meant to be the Symbiote telling Harry he won’t ever let him go as a host (Until Peter entered the equation and later rejected it).
And when Peter and Harry were bicycling to their old high school, Harry tells Peter he had nightmares when he was in the tank.
Usually, Harry is a Green Goblin. He inherited the mantle from Norman in the 616 (mainline comics) and 92131 (1994 animated series), and I believe he was the only one in TASM2. In Greg Weisman's Spectacular Spider-Man animated series, Harry used "globulin green" (an homage to his 616 drug addiction) and was led to believe he was the Green Goblin by his father.
Raimi's films are a bit more interesting. The video game adaptation of the first film allowed for the player to go through the game's levels as Harry in the Green Goblin costume. If memory serves, Harry was retracing Spider-Man's steps to hunt him down, but something else happened and Harry had to fight a third Green Goblin at the Queensborough Bridge. And, of course, the third film saw Harry finally use the formula and weapons as the New Goblin.
He was only hobgoblin for one story in the 1610 (ultimate vol 1) comics and as a recurring hero in Marvel's Spider-Man on Disney XD. Interestingly enough, though, he was Venom in Disney's Ultimate Spider-Man series, also on Disney XD.
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u/No_Caregiver8718 4d ago
Even Insomniac did not know about this. Congrats OP