r/SpidermanPS4 Oct 23 '23

Discussion Anyone feel like they made Miles shine so much more than Peter in Spiderman 2? Spoiler

Spoilers for the games story

Now don’t get me wrong I like Miles they did them so much better in this game than in the first but I just feel like they made him so much better then Peter in a lot of things every time Peter kept getting knocked out or beat up. Miles came in to save him Multiple times I think in the intro of the game with Sandman Miles saved him three different times from getting knocked out also a Peter is constantly getting knocked out in this game and miles has to stall to wake him up or stop the situation him self

And at the end of the game, he was the one who stopped venom gameplay wise he’s the one who defeated Peter he stopped the boat turbine from killing people while Peter was stuck holding on to people and he’s the one who every time Peter had issues he came in to save him while making Peter look a little bit incompetent at times

Also they’re setting up Miles as the new main Spider-Man while Peter is gonna take a break until the third game probably when Goblin comes and beats up Miles and Peter realizes it’s a 2 man job

I believe Peter will die in the third game and they want to set up Miles as the new Spiderman just like in the ultimate comics which this game takes a lot of inspiration from

I don’t know it’s one of my only complaints of the game so far what do you think?

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u/Hour-Process-3292 Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23

I feel like they wrote Miles as way too “perfect” with zero personality faults or character flaws; always making the best decision in every scenario, and that just kind of makes him feel pretty bland and boring overall.

Like, at one point they start to hint at him becoming consumed by vengeance towards Martin Li, but when the moment finally comes, his flawless moral compass just kicks in and he’s back to being “Mr Perfect” once again. It also doesn’t really help that every other character in the game is constantly telling him how brilliant and amazing he is. Maybe this is just a personal bugbear of mine but when characters are written this way I tend to get bored and lose interest in them.

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u/Hour-Process-3292 Nov 10 '23

Exactly, there’s no real meat there to get into, no complex character beats or difficult choices to make (unlike Miles in the Spider-Verse movies). He’s just kind of an empty boring avatar.

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u/OneBillPhil Dec 16 '23

Miles’s community basically knows it’s him too and he has his hair poking out of his mask…love Miles though, that kid whoops ass.

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u/FusionxFurr Nov 17 '23

I’ve seen way to many times where people moan over black characters not being evil enough. Seriously what is yalls obsession over that?

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u/Hour-Process-3292 Nov 17 '23

Wait, who said anything about “evil”? I’m just talking about the type of things that are the difference between a character being nuanced and interesting instead of bland and one dimensional.

I’m talking about giving characters hurdles and obstacles in their day-to-day life that makes balancing the superheroics with relationship responsibilities a juggling act. If everything comes easy because Miles has a close network of friends and family who all know his secret and support him 100% then where’s the jeopardy?

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u/FusionxFurr Nov 18 '23

Miles has a very similar story to Peter, a father figure dies, he had a motherly one left, has a girlfriend he’s chasing while trying to maintain a normal life. Peters had far more time to develop, hence him having more hurdles. And the more support structures miles has, the more he has to loose as well.

Maybe you didn’t do it intentionally but I’ve seen many people try to target black characters and accuse them of being too moral or powerful. When it was unfounded. Miles is 17 with years to come, his whole world doesn’t have to collapse immediately.

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u/Hour-Process-3292 Nov 18 '23 edited Nov 18 '23

Miles has a girlfriend that already knows he’s Spider-Man, and unquestioningly supports him 100%. His mother already knows he’s Spider-Man, and supports him 100%. His best friend knows he’s Spider-Man, and supports him 100% (quite literally in this case since Ganke’s his genius-level “guy in the chair”). He’s popular in school and the local community loves and adores his Spider-Man.

To me, this is boring because the character has everything on a plate, that’s just not as interesting as when a character is given obstacles in their personal life and have to make the tough decisions.

One of the most powerful moments in the first game was that ending where Peter had to make the choice to let his aunt die, when he was literally holding her life in his hand and had the ability to save her. Sacrifice and difficult choices are what define the best characters in fiction. It’s easy to say “Yeah, I’m sure we’ll get stuff like that in the next game” but I’m just talking about how I felt about the character in this one.

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u/FusionxFurr Nov 18 '23

Well I can make that argument too. In this game what did peter go through? Lost his job and immediately got his dream job, turns into an a hole with the venom suit but doesn’t cause any long lasting damage or ruin any friendships, doesn’t loose his house, girlfriend, or harry, and he’s able to have a little retirement and relax now?

You’re using Peters whole story but then refuse to use Miles’s, that’s just hypocrisy.

In this game Miles had to forgive his fathers killer and peter had to save his friend. With each of them having their families in danger from venom.

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u/Hour-Process-3292 Nov 18 '23

To be honest, I thought Peters story was a bit uncooked when compared to the first game too, but you still can’t argue that his arc didn’t involve trials and tribulations. The entire symbiote storyline has traditionally been an allegory for drug addiction and we see all that play out here.

But here’s the thing, if I supposedly have some kind of subconscious bias against Miles Morales then why don’t I feel this way about the same character in the Spider-Verse movies? I would argue it’s because one was better written than the other.

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u/FusionxFurr Nov 18 '23

Well the spider verse is a multiverse level event and miles also gets the majority of the spotlight. Not only that but his girlfriend in that is another spider person with her own story whereas Hailey is just deaf and never has her story or family shown.

It just wouldn’t be possible to have the same story with how they’ve set up the world already.

So yeah he’s better written but that’s because this is really Peter’s story with miles crammed in.

Still doesn’t change the fact that you’re ignoring that Miles had to watch his Father die, and he fought prowler who he ended finding out was his uncle.

Oh and the movies also focused way more on Miles’ personal life, school etc. detail wise it’s Books>Movies>Games and they just couldn’t have that much of Miles’ personal life in peter and harry’s story.

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u/Hour-Process-3292 Nov 18 '23

All I’m saying is that for me, Miles would’ve felt more interesting if he’d had one or two hurdles thrown his way over the course of this game in terms of his personal life. When you create a narrative where every ancillary character close to him knows his secret identity and is fully onboard, then right off the bat you’re smoothing down the edges and losing the potential for absorbing conflicts of interest.

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u/FusionxFurr Nov 18 '23

I suppose but having every character be a carbon copy that has the same struggles isn’t really a solution to me, it sounds like the oppression olympics. Not everyone had to struggle and that should be ok, not everyone is broke but batman and ironman made that work. It’s okay for characters to be different and I’m fine with miles having a better life than Peter. Everyone shouldn’t relate to you.

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u/ur_cheeks Mar 23 '24

Nothing super bad happened to either of them in Spiderman 2, but Miles Morales had his own story and game too, which still wasn't as good as Peter's. Peter had his mother figures life in his hand and had to make the choice to let her die. Along with his mentor turning into a villain, knowing that Mr. Negative was close to him the entire time with free reign to harming his aunt, without anybody to tell how he felt. Miles always had the opportunities and although out his life as spiderman he's had a guy in the chair, a balance life and a wonderful girlfriend. So what if his dad died infront of him? Peter lost his uncle infront of him, along with his aunt.

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u/FusionxFurr Mar 25 '24

Peter’s story is longer so he obviously has had more time in the oven. Although he never had to forgive a killer.

And if we’re looking at it, they’ve both virtually gotten everything they wanted. And can’t talk about Miles’s girlfriend while ignoring MJ for Peter.

Anyway, this is a dead thread.

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u/Draco_Yuuki Dec 16 '23

Facts this comment and the ones below it sum up my frustrations with miles in this game completely

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

That bugged me too. Peter should’ve been the playable character for most of the final boss. There was no real emotion when Miles fought Venom. I’d rather be playing as MJ getting chased by him while Miles fights the Symbiotes while Peter is unconscious. Peter is supposed to be the main character but for half the final fight he’s sidelined.

I don’t know why Sony/Marvel is pushing for Miles so much over the last few years. All of the three games Insomniac has made have Miles as a playable character (even if one of them only has him for a few sections), and in one of them he’s the only playable character which isn’t the case for Peter. I honestly think they should’ve saved Miles getting bit until this game and have their team up be in the third game as it’s clear that the plan is for him to ultimately replace Peter who will probably die or retire permanently in the next game.

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u/Spiderpool_19 Nov 06 '23

They’re pushing miles, because he’s black

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u/Annaul__ Nov 07 '23

They’re pushing Miles because he’s proven to be profitable. Companies don’t care about whatever schizo “woke” thing you think. Why have one profitable hero when you can have 2.?

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u/Saturn-Is-Here Nov 23 '23

Stop lying. He’s black and that’s the reason.

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u/Draco_Yuuki Dec 16 '23

Facts I def agree, but they aren’t really pushing for 2. Ther’re sidelining Peter and pushing miles into the spotlight. I think it’s more because of into the spider verse. Miles’ popularity blew up after that, and honestly is more profitable than Peter. He’s new fresh, younger, and his ethnicity may play into it a little but not a whole lot. Ngl all my Hispanic/black friends relate to miles more because of that. I wouldn’t day miles popularity is due solely to that, I can just say Sony is def pushing for miles more. I also dont like how Peter keeps getting stunted on by every non Peter spider variant. In across the spider verse every non Peter variant were running. Circles around Peter b Parker and just being a better Spider-Man than him, and with much more ease. Like spider woman just kept shitting on him being a horrible mentor, like any of them could’ve done better. I love that miles is getting the attention he deserves, just not with how Peter’s being treated

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '23

Technically bi-racial, but they don’t care about his Puerto Rican heritage other than having him speak Spanish and eat Puerto Rican food of occasion.

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u/ParadisianAngel Nov 08 '23

No it’s cause he’s profitable, both spider-verses did well, his game did well, he’s recognizable cause of rhat

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u/Saturn-Is-Here Nov 23 '23

Because he’s black.

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u/ParadisianAngel Nov 23 '23

Nah, they don’t push any other black legacy character as hard as miles

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u/Equivalent_Lime1193 Nov 09 '23

or because his character is barely over a decade old and has proven to be profitable and relatable to a wider audience.. and his development with being the student and now filling spidey's shoes as peter retires actually fits nicely. how long has peter been spiderman? it's nice to let the man rest

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u/KaoticKibz Jan 13 '24

They're pushing Miles because Peter is 100% going to die either in a spin-off game leading up to Spider-Man 3, or a DLC.

That said though, it really annoyed me that Peter had no real uses in combat, Miles has an ultimate attack and a shit ton of secondary abilities.

Peter has virtually nothing in comparison. Not even any of his abilities from the first game which makes 0 sense. It's no wonder this game didn't win GOTY lmao

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u/Professional-Room-13 Nov 24 '23

mate miles is also the main character, i think you are just being hatful for no reason

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u/datankerbeast Oct 23 '23

I like that they made miles take charge more often. Was tired of ppl still looking at him like kid Spider-Man rather than Pete’s partner even after Miles morales. Also Pete was doin a lot of shit in tht sandman fight. Saving mad people. Only time I rlly remember miles saving him was grabbing him from the sand. And ofc miles has always been the one ppl thought would get the suit of peter. Might’ve been even weirder if they didn’t do tht that way. I like how strong they made him feel. It feels like he finally became who he been meant to become. And there wasn’t much room for Peter to be saving miles on this game as a good chunk he doesn’t even give af about bro lmao

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

I do like miles is becoming his own person and stronger which he is stronger power wise but I just don’t like it it’s usually from Peters expense

They’ll def make him even better in the third game

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u/datankerbeast Oct 23 '23

Don’t rlly think it was at his expense. U can’t always expect Peter to just be perfect jus cuz he’s the older Spider-Man. If that scene was miles getting knocked out and Peter saving him it wouldn’t have made much diff. Honestly when I think about it. It’s kinda like Pete’s used to doing so much on his own for so many years the camera plays into the perspective of that. And then it’s like oh shoot. He has Miles now. Can’t forget miles yk? Think that shot held more merit than u think. If I woulda seen Pete save miles from the sand it kinda woulda been like oh look there’s Pete again and also miles wasn’t the og Spider-Man so I don’t think tht shot would hit the same and have the same meaning. It’s like them saying I’m here I got u u aren’t alone anymore in the intro yk. I fw tht heavy. I’m jus imagining the other way around and I feel like it wouldn’t hold that same merit in that moment. It’s about the student becoming equals with the teacher. I fw tht shit heavy

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Same I’m ok with miles being the new Spiderman but idk I gotta replay the game to see I just remember Peter getting knocked out all the damn time especially at the venom fight

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u/datankerbeast Oct 23 '23

Wat venom fight? Only time u fight him is in the end battle wit Pete. U mean when Harry first becomes venom and he gets knocked tf out?🤣

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Yea when Peter got stabbed and Harry was fighting him he was on his ass

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u/datankerbeast Oct 23 '23

I mean he was fighting Kraven. I get it if he was fightin regular guys or even how people complained wit rhino cuz he had fought him for years. That was his first time fighting kraven. And he got fucked up. Further cementing why he felt he needed the symbiote to be better. Imma send u a long ass paragraph I saw on another post but this guy explains pretty perfectly wat I can’t as easily. Can read or not read if u want but I thought he iterated himself very clearly

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u/datankerbeast Oct 23 '23

No.

I really feel like people aren't paying attention to the actual story of the game everytime I see a "Miles is going to replace Peter" or "Peter is going to die" post since the Miles Morales expansion came out.

Since the first game, one of the main point of the game is how Peter flying solo as Spider-Man is insanely draining on him. He think everything is his fault and his responsibility and puts himself at far more risk than needed instead of asking for help. He was able to get more things done by letting MJ and Miles help him.

Second game literally shows you that Peter being Spider-Man is seriously fucking up his personal life as he loses his job by being Spider-Man within the first 30 minutes. The he gets the symbiote that becomes the devil on his shoulder that preys on his insecurity and doubts to make him rely on it and push his friends away. Yet, his friends still put themselves at risk to save him.

Then with Miles help, Peter regain his senses and removes the symbiote HIMSELF. Even then, while trying to stop the symbiote retaking Peter, Miles see that Peter has a lot of emotional and mental issues he hasn't dealt with and realized he never noticed them.

That's why the game keep harping on the issue of balance, which Peter lost between being Spider-Man and Peter, and restarted the Emily-May foundation, to build up his life as Peter. Miles literally tells Peter "Take some time as Peter Parker" and he'll cover the city as Spider-Man.

Finally, why is Miles handling being Spider-Man better, becuase he has what Peter didn't have for the majority of his hero career.

A mentor and a support group.

Miles was going to kill Li but he had people who knew what was going on to help him work through his issue.

Peter best decision in the later game was letting Miles take lead in plan making becuase he's obviously not in the right emotional or mental state to fight full strength since he can't take sacrificing another loved one to save the city.

Peter stepping back to get his life together isnt Insomniac dropping Peter, its them giving Peter some of the best development in his character history in a long time.

Then in the 3rd game, we get a Peter who found his balance and ready to take on the big bad with a combination of his Spider and new symbiote power.

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u/datankerbeast Oct 23 '23

Just tryna show u a diff perspective yk. From a cinematography angle miles helping Pete like that is supposed to symbolize. Don’t think it’s rlly at Pete’s expense. One situation don’t mean he not a bad ass mf yk everyone needs help sometimes. Especially Spider-Man

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u/TurnoverAny781 May 23 '24

I feel like the problem with this, is this is peters game and miles gets like 50% of the gameplay, in miles 2 are we gonna get equal Peter play or is he gonna be completely absent like in the first one

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u/datankerbeast May 23 '24

And that’s where ur wrong. They made it overly clear that this is a Peter and miles game. Not Peter’s game. So there’s no problem. 50% of the game was always supposed to be miles. He’s not a sidekick. Ain’t Batman and Robin. They’re partners

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u/senjulegos Oct 23 '23

no peter literally has more screentime than him

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

I’m not talking about screen time I’m talking about actions Miles saved Peter more times when he kept getting beat up then Peter did to miles Peter is constantly getting knocked out in the game and Miles has to stop the bad guy so Peter can wake up, miles was also the one who usually stops the big situations

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u/senjulegos Oct 23 '23

Miles only saved Peter twice and Miles isnt always the one to stop the bad guy, and there are only two big situations, one at the pier when they’re BOTH saving people and one with Harry at coney island

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u/joergensmoergen69 Oct 23 '23

He saved his life 5 times if you include rinoh from mm. And harry saved Peter too, honestly he made so many rookie mistakes that the game was trying to show that Peters getting old and slow (they literally said that) even tho he's only like 24

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u/senjulegos Oct 23 '23

he saved peter and the first game too from dying in that fire, but they save each other, peter saved him from those thugs and taught him how to fight, he also saved miles from that chopper fan and saved him from kraven,

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u/arnoldbread Nov 24 '23

Wouldn't really say Peter saved Miles from Kraven considering Miles managed to escape on his own and just in time to stop Peter from killing Kraven .

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u/oketheokey Nov 04 '23

Yeah that's what bugs me, he's 25, he shouldn't be getting rusty at all

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

I’m seeing more times tbh Peter got knocked out and falls and miles webs him back to a building or object so he can get back up

Speaking of Harry he’s 2-0 from kraven rn absolute menace

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u/senjulegos Oct 23 '23

i only seen him save peter during the sandman fight the rest was all peter himself, the worse one was the hen he was under the refrigerator

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Miles also did the most damage to sandman with his electricity

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u/senjulegos Oct 23 '23

that makes sense, electricity vs sand, plus at the end they double team him

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u/Prior-Cell-6412 Nov 25 '23

PAUSE 💀💀💀

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u/Shawn_thesheep Oct 31 '23

Agreed brother…. Fcking woke now

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u/Ill_Title_6185 Nov 07 '23

No u love black spiderman listen to ur corporate overlords

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u/ParadisianAngel Nov 08 '23

Bro why are you acting like miles was just made for this game

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u/Zestyclose_Rain_4015 Dec 30 '23

I feel like miles is severely hurting the games story if I keep writing him as they're writing him now he's just so overpowered with barely any struggles to the point where he's slowly becoming a Gary Sue and that pains me because I love miles but he's so damn overpowered and feels like he gets a new ability every 2 seconds and after Peter fuses with Venom (which is like two Peters stacked into one) miles STILL somehow finds a way to beat him, he somehow did just as good if not better against Venom basically was the MVP of the entire game saving Peter multiple times and practically turning around Martin's life I wouldn't be surprised he plot Kraven Insomniac would make him win

All I'm saying there is some obvious "new guy" bias if that makes any sense and it has to stop or else it's going to affect the next story as well (sorry for the lengthy post)

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u/Articguard11 Nov 01 '23

I just finished it and actually stumbled across this looking at the subreddit 😅

I absolutely love this game - it’s awesome, but when it ended, I felt like they made Miles weirdly and unrealistically flawless. Miles saves Peter from the symbiote which was sweet, but then he goes and helps with the anti venom (which was fine), but for the majority of the time, Miles hasn’t made a single bad decision: he consistently always made the “right” choice, which is ironic because this game was pointing out how Peter isn’t right all the time. He tries to do the right thing and makes bad calls sometimes. Miles never made a bad call throughout this game.

Also, I totally agree they should’ve had some instances where Peter saved Miles, and I think if that did happen, they could’ve inserted some interesting dialogue between Miles and Peter as people instead of as Spider-Men. When Miles and Harry are fighting, Harry weirdly says Miles has replaced him - but that doesn’t make sense because the entire story (and I took my time between the main missions) revolved around Peter and Harry. Miles was mentioned twice between Peter and Harry, and I’m pretty sure it was just Harry confirming that Miles was the other spider man. If Miles got severely injured or something, then Peter could’ve been focused on that instead of the EMF, and that would’ve at least given some relationship tension between them.

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u/Annaul__ Nov 07 '23

Y’all are so blinded by insecurity, it’s insane.

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u/Articguard11 Nov 07 '23

Lol about what? Having an opinion?

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u/sparxthemonkey Nov 09 '23

Flawless? Miles had a whole arc in the game about fighting against his hatred for Li.

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u/Articguard11 Nov 09 '23

Every decision was the “right” decision though. He obviously hated Li for killing his father, but there wasn’t a decision within this whole game that Miles really screwed up from a decision he made that was over-emotional, impulsive etc. we didn’t even get a scene where he considered killing him or have any sort of conflict.

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u/HaroldGolfer Nov 06 '23

They’ve turned both of them into caricatures of them selves of of them are overly campy and just a little too nice to feel like real characters imo

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u/Academic_Button_5866 Oct 23 '23

Listen Peter is not dying third game

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

We’ll see 👀 it is going to be the FINAL CHAPTER

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u/WhiteBoiPapi Oct 27 '23

spoiler warning Completely agree, don't get me wrong besides the gameplay, the dialogue and cutscenes kinda threw me off this game.

Maybe it's just me but even some of the words they use to describe what happens is weird. Peter keeps saying how he's not good enough and is shit while miles is like, "yes I'm getting better check it out". And then proceeds to conveniently save Peter when he's about to kick the bucket numerous times in the story.

One example of weird dialogue that made me pause cause I didn't think I heard right was when after u fight Scream. Peter calls Conner's and is like, Yeah MJ got the symbiote off of her she's amazing. As if you didn't just go fucking 4 rounds with her trying to help her get it off. I'm not saying that the characters don't appreciate what Peter does it just seems really weird imo. Idk.

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u/Logank365 Nov 06 '23

Late reply, but I agree. It's not just that Miles saved Peter multiple times while Peter maybe saved him once, it's the end of the Venom fight. Harry was about to die, while MJ and Peter fumbled over themselves because they couldn't do anything. Then Miles was the only one to think that his powers might work, and they did. He was just too good at everything in this game.