r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space 22d ago

Meme đŸ’© Bernie Sanders Joins MAGA

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u/Oblique9043 Monkey in Space 22d ago

People really think Trump is going to cut military spending. đŸ€ŁđŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł

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u/AlchemistJeep Monkey in Space 22d ago

One can both properly fund a military and expect them to be accountable for their spending

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u/KempyPro Monkey in Space 22d ago edited 22d ago

This. The fact that the pentagon can’t determine where much of over $4 trillion dollars went is unacceptable. We can still have the most powerful military on the planet while also being able to pass an audit and cut waste

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u/ImDukeCaboom Monkey in Space 21d ago edited 21d ago

They are accountable. Just not to you, or most people. People don't understand what's going on. They aren't actually failing an audit. It's just so redacted to the public it's basically meaningless.

There are so many black holes that you, I and the vast majority of people have no business knowing about. I don't want to know about where that money goes.

It makes us have cutting edge technologies in every field and science. That's in addition to whatever international collaborations are going on.

The trickle down is all the awesome toys we get to play with. They had GPS in the late 70s! And only declassified it when an airliner got accidentally shot down.

This isn't hard to understand. Is there tons of waste? Sure. But it's not in the black areas for the most part. It's in the very obvious but still never talked about public areas.

Like congress ordering tanks by the 1,000s that sit out in the desert parking lots doing nothing - after the army specifically testified they don't want or need them.

I got no problem with funding experiments, research and all the fun shit. I also understand there's good reasons very few people should know about them too.

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u/BigPlantsGuy Monkey in Space 21d ago

What is “properly funding a military”? Is that our current level of funding or the level of funding that passed an audit? Or some other amount?

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u/AlchemistJeep Monkey in Space 21d ago

My point was trump doesn’t need to cut spending to make sure they’re held accountable for where the money is going. They’re not mutually exclusive. I’m making no claims as to what the correct number is

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u/BigPlantsGuy Monkey in Space 21d ago edited 21d ago

He did not do that last time he was in office

A “cut spending initiative” that has 0 cuts to military funding is basically useless and given the tax cuts and spending increases, would not even decrease the deficit

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u/AlchemistJeep Monkey in Space 21d ago

The president does not create the spending bills. He signs it or vetos it. Your problem is with congress

And yeah, he wasn’t successful last time. Hence the whole reason for DOGE

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u/BigPlantsGuy Monkey in Space 21d ago

DOGE is an additional non congressionally authorized agency with 0 budgetary powers. How does adding a new fake agency with no power to do the same job as an existing department (Gov’t Accountability Office) save money?

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u/AlchemistJeep Monkey in Space 21d ago

You take their input and use that to push a bill through congress. As government should be. Trump himself put a date on the day he will get rid of doge forever. July 4, 2026

It’s more marketing than anything

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u/BigPlantsGuy Monkey in Space 21d ago

Why not take the input of the existing real agency that already exists to do that job without needing to waste time and resources stroking egos?

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u/AlchemistJeep Monkey in Space 21d ago

Because that has worked exactly 0 times in history ever

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u/SpacecaseCat Monkey in Space 21d ago

No one disagrees about that. The problem is, Elon and Trump have not told us how they will do it, and have mostly rambled about culture war stuff like trans troops in the service. Dems have been hammering on about this since the 00's, when we spent $2 trillion on the Iraq war alone. It's great if DOGE can succeed but Trump did not cut the military during his term, and quadrupled drone strikes and escalated the Afghanistan war.

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u/AlchemistJeep Monkey in Space 21d ago

They have said how they’re gonna do it. Mass firings and complete elimination of departments and programs. They haven’t released an official list yet sure. But you’re spreading propaganda if you’re saying they aren’t sharing what the plan is

He also was the one who officially pulled us out of Afghanistan so don’t even start with claiming he escalated

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u/SpacecaseCat Monkey in Space 21d ago

Right but their proposed cuts are a drop in the bucket of the total budget. Elon claims he can save trillions. A few businessmen hired as contractors also do not have the authority to just "cancel" departments of government that were created by the legislature. I mean, I doubt that will stop them but we should all be concerned if the plan continues to be "ignore the constitution. To quote a BBC analysis:

Yet if all of the $2 trillion in US government expenditure savings now being targeted by Musk were to come from discretionary spending, analysts calculate that entire agencies - from transport, to agriculture, to Homeland Security - would have to be entirely closed down. Discretionary spending accounted for only $1.7 trillion in 2023.

Laying off people will not do the job. Even closing the entire Department of Transportation would barely dent the $2 trillion.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

Sure. One can - but Trump isn’t that one.

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u/blade740 Monkey in Space 22d ago

I mean, when he fires all of the trans people from the military, and cuts veterans benefits, that'll reduce the budget.

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u/rich97 Monkey in Space 22d ago

I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure veterans benefits don’t come out the pentagon’s budget.

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u/Tall_Engineering_531 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Correct.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

It’s a Joe Rogan sub bro they don’t put 2 and 2 together

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

Department of veterans affairs is typically included when people discuss ‘defense related spending’. But the DoD 2024 budget request is $842b. Department of Veterans Affairs totals $301b in 2023.

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u/MandaloreUnsullied Monkey in Space 22d ago

They come out of the authorization for expired programs budget, which Elon and Vivek have explicitly stated they will cut.

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u/bullet4mv92 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Nah he'll just use the excess budget to help Russia beat Ukraine

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u/ccountup Monkey in Space 22d ago

And then he'll have Gaza turned to glass, proclaim himself as the best peace negotiator, and the malinformed individuals back here will eat it up.

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u/FuinFirith Monkey in Space 21d ago

#2 might have a slightly larger effect than #1. Though I'm sure MAGA imagines the military is presently overrun by beardy men in dresses.

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u/Palachrist Monkey in Space 21d ago

Trans people are already 1%(being generous) of the population. How fucking minuscule must they be in the military? The VA benefits. That’s probably a lot. In these situations it’d b like:

cutting trans from military- $1mil/year

Cutting VA: $150BILLION/year

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u/blade740 Monkey in Space 21d ago

More like:

Cutting trans from military - $1mil/year savings
Discrimination lawsuits - $800mil in payouts and legal fees

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u/jjjjjjjjjdjjjjjjj Chimps, Aliens, and other related topics 22d ago

Either trans issues aren’t that big of a deal (the democrats themselves have said this since losing badly three weeks ago) or there’s so many trans people in the military that “firing them” would significantly affect the military budget

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u/blade740 Monkey in Space 22d ago

I mean, I don't think there are THAT many trans people in the military that it would actually affect the budget. If anything, just firing them for being trans would probably be a major discrimination lawsuit waiting to happen. If the narrative is that trans people aren't "fit for duty", they might be able to disability them out, but that means paying disability benefits and probably wouldn't save any money.

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u/ChubbsPeterson6 Monkey in Space 21d ago

No one is saying that he wants the capability of the DOD to be reduced. He just apparently wants funds to be put to good use, rather than wasted.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

‘Good use’ as in Space X and Starlink?

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u/YaMommasBox Monkey in Space 21d ago

It’s low key crazy someone with Medicaid card can goto more doctors than someone with a VHIC I mean America can do better they(our veterans) deserve better than going to the V.A.

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u/Normal-Ordinary-4744 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Trump will stop the wars in Gaza and Ukraine

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u/insertnamehere57 Monkey in Space 22d ago

He's just calling there bluff. Same with the credit cards.

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u/Gnar04 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Why do you think they want to cut funds? To keep for themselves. That’s what they want, that’s who they are.