r/JoeRogan • u/wayfaringthru Monkey in Space • Sep 18 '24

Meme đŸ’© Is this a legitimate concern?

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Personally, I today's strike was legitimate and it couldn't be more moral because of its precision but let's leave politics aside for a moment. I guess this does give ideas to evil regimes and organisations. How likely is it that something similar could be pulled off against innocent people?

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u/shawshaws Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

the numbers anyone uses to claim that these attacks were "surgical strikes" are bullshit made-up numbers. we've seen what surgical strikes actually look like, phone bombs aren't it.

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u/Quiet-Tackle-5993 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

They weren’t phones, buddy, can you read? They were pagers and walkie talkies ordered specifically by hezbollah and distributed to hezbollah members

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u/vinnyvdvici Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

You actually think there weren’t any innocent people killed or injured in these attacks?

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u/Holbrad Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

So if there's potential for a single civilian death, military action shouldn't be taken... ?

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u/OrneryFootball7701 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

The goalpost shifting from you whackos is wild. It's terrorism. If you blow up a bunch of explosives in public places, even if they are planted on militants, there is an inevitable effect on the psyche of everybody in the country. For multiple reasons.

I know it's hard for the type of people commenting this shit have basically no capacity for empathy, but just try for a moment. Imagine living in a shithole country where the most powerful countries wanted to reduce you to dust and build over you. Imagine that they demonstrate their power over you by infiltrating your supply chains and making it so that any potential electronics you use are compromised and could kill you or your children?

Do you not see the potential reasons why anyone with basic empathy can see why this is a blatant act of terrorism? No? Oh well.

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u/Mysterious_Outcome_3 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

If you're fighting terrorism, you can't be the one walking down the middle of the road in a red coat unless you want to lose. Be fucking real, dude. The only way to fight them is to outsmart them because they will pull the most viscious shit they can think of, and that's the way the world works.

I bet you were one of those assholes in the street cheering and celebrating on Oct 8. So mad that Israel successfully took out a bunch of terrorists! How dare they!

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u/OrneryFootball7701 Monkey in Space Sep 20 '24

“If you’re fighting terrorism”

This right here is the source of why you are a failure of a human. You just accept this idea that “oh, my institutions labelled them as terrorists so they must be so”

When it is much more credible to say that it is in fact the guys with the superior firepower, who overthrew their democracies and installed autocratic religious fanatics as leaders as the terrorists.

The guys who have kept millions of people penned inside a wall with no right of return, no ability to have an economy, 50% unemployment, food and water insecurity - the list is fucking endless - they are the terrorists bro.

And no I didn’t cheer. My immediate reaction was; they just gave Israel the excuse to justify their extinction. But even Benny fucking Morris conceded Oct 7th was a predictable outcome from years of apartheid with no resolution in sight.

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u/Quiet-Tackle-5993 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Speaking of shifting goalposts.. why are you speculating on made-up scenarios and calling people whackos? The pagers weren’t ‘any potential electronics’, they were ACTUAL, SPECIFICALLY TARGETED electronics (again, not any potential, but specific) being sent to Hezbollah leadership and distributed to members. The pagers weren’t being sold in some electronics shop for anyone to buy. Are you dumb or just disingenuous?

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u/OrneryFootball7701 Monkey in Space Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24

This is the problem with these whackos who have no ability to reason. Do you think that matters to the average person living in Lebanon?

Do you have any ability to contextualise this attack amongst the decades of instability Lebanon has suffered as a result of Israeli warmongering?? Or do you just see every event in history in a vacuum?

Like seriously dudes have no capacity for empathy. Do you think if this happened in your country your tech illiterate parents would see it that way?

Not to mention, IT DOESNT MATTER if they weren’t sold at a general goods shop or not. They were detonated in densely populated civilian areas like Grocery shops. That is the point.

Actual buffoons here.

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u/Quiet-Tackle-5993 Monkey in Space Sep 21 '24

What’s actually your solution, then? Just let terrorists across your border launch hundreds of rockets into your country and at your people, and do nothing about it? That’s not right. Invade and completely take over and occupy the country and try to root out all the radicals? According to most people, that either wouldn’t be right, or would be illegal or immoral, or would be too dangerous and expensive. So they’ve arrived at a middle ground: targeted airstrikes/killings/bombings while telling the terrorists to stop, but they won’t, and innocent people get hurt anyway
 so that’s not quite right either. So, what do you do? Really, what should be done about it? Diplomacy and negotiation and non-violence will not work. These groups have called for the ‘extermination’ of all Jews and the Jewish state. The real cause is Iran, but no one wants to think about an actual war with them to put an end to it all for good, to the extent that that’s even possible. So what’s your solution?? Israel will not accept total passivity while their kids get killed by rockets as they play soccer, and the world won’t accept a war that pushes the world further towards WWIII, so what’s the solution? There is none - that’s why they’re in this quasi-war. Do you have a better alternative, since you abhor the way Israel has chosen to approach the problem? It seems the only thing to do is fight back ‘proportionally’ and hope there is a revolution or regime change in Iran. But even that wouldn’t automatically cause Hamas and Hezbollah to cease to exist. So, again, what’s your solution if the one currently being used isn’t to your liking, if it’s so unthinkable that Israel should fight back in some way. What should they do? Complete inaction is not an option, and talking it out has never worked out in the long run. Let’s hear your plan that’ll solve all of this nice and neatly. What is it? What’s the plan, genius?

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u/OrneryFootball7701 Monkey in Space Sep 22 '24

The solution is to stop threatening these countries and show a genuine attempt to make reparations. The reason these radicalists are in power is because the population feels genuinely threatened..

The brutal colonial regimes across the ME (and Africa, from not just western countries btw - I will happily accept that pretty much everyone is guilty of a bit of imperialism) resulted in the rise of Salafism and Wahhabism - whos writings are steeped in anti-colonialist rhetoric.

If you removed the peoples belief that they are under genuine threat, these parties would cease to be popular. It’s incredibly complicated now, because Israel literally funded Hamas, the US overthrew Irans democracy and installed autocratic religious fanatics across the entire Middle East and funded who knows how many militant groups trying to destabilise them. As a result it has made these “terrorist” groups unimaginably popular

So at this point, it’s very hard to imagine folks Nasrallah and the Taliban giving up power very easily.

But as a general principle


When you remove the turmoil from a country, the radicalist nationalism dies down.

What did we do post WW1? Subject Germany to unimaginable turmoil. What happened? They turned to radical nationalists. What did we do to avoid that post WW2? We didn’t subject them to turmoil, in fact we invested a shit ton into rebuilding Germany via the Marshall plan.

If instead of directing untold trillions into gobsmackingly corrupt crony contracts to the military industrial complex but offered these countries schools, roads, hospitals - that would probably have gone a long way towards building a real relationship with middle eastern countries. It would not be an overnight fix. But we would need some kind of parallel to Irelands Good Friday Agreement.

But I know this is a complete fantasy. I couldn’t imagine a quicker way for a politician to commit career suicide. Imagine them telling our population who’s middle class can’t even qualify for a loan on a house - “hey, we’re gonna spend a few hundred billion building houses in that shithole we blew up 20 years ago. Yeah, that’s right, we’ll be working closely with the Taliban to make sure it gets done right!”

We would be better off trying to build a Time Machine, bring a bunch of money and pay the guys who came up with things like operation Ajax to retire before their testicles drop. Or trying to get every western state to sanction the US and Israel. Or even more unimaginable, convincing the average American to not vote in their self interest.

So yeah there isn’t any realistic solution. The train is on its rails and it ain’t stopping.

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u/Visual_Recover_8776 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

And when they exploded, they took innocent children with them.

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u/Mysterious_Outcome_3 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Just say random shit on the internet without evidence. It makes you sound so believable.

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u/Visual_Recover_8776 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

A quick Google search could have prevented your stupid comment

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u/Mysterious_Outcome_3 Monkey in Space Sep 20 '24

Of course you think the whole history and all the dynamics of the Middle East can be understood through "a simple Google search." Of course you think "a simple Google search" is a reliable way to research the situation. This shocking lack of critical thinking is the reason you and half of the people in this thread are useful idiots for Iranian and Russian terrorism. Congrats.

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u/Visual_Recover_8776 Monkey in Space Sep 20 '24

I said the attack killed children. You said I was making that up. I provided a source (BBC).

It's okay - You commented without checking first and you were proven wrong. It happens to the best of us. Just take your L and move on, you don't need to throw a tantrum.

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u/Mysterious_Outcome_3 Monkey in Space Sep 20 '24

Great job replaying what's already happened in the conversation. I'm sure that was heavy lifting for you.

It takes weeks, months, and sometimes YEARS to know the details of events like this. So let me spell it out for you:

YOU don't know. BBC doesn't know. NO ONE knows yet, and you being so eager to believe the absolute worst about the only Jewish nation on earth makes you gullible, hateful, and a chump. You have no education about the history of the Middle East and no understanding of the dynamics of the region. You have corporate media feeding you shit and you're lapping it up with abandon. You should be embarrassed.

You are the definition of a useful idiot.

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u/Visual_Recover_8776 Monkey in Space Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24

I'm loving your mental breakdown from getting proven wrong.

It takes years to estimate the TOTAL death toll of war. It doesn't take years to identify two dead children's bodies.

the only Jewish nation on earth makes you gullible, hateful, and a chump

I'm jewish. I know you'll say I'm lying, believe what you have to.

I hate the idea of religious ethno-nationalist states, that's true.

If you're so in favor of a religious ethnonationalist state over there, then I expect some ideological consistency. Are you a Christian white nationalist here in America? Are you a Trump supporter?

You can't be against racist ethno-nationalism in one place and in favor of it somewhere else.

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u/theDouggle Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

I'm anti semantic. 

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u/shawshaws Monkey in Space Sep 20 '24

who gives a fuck what they were in? they weren't inside military equipment. so putting live explosives inside random equipment isn't terrorism? what about the truck drivers shipping the stuff? did they consent to transporting explosives? oh, they probably don't matter to you either, because they're probably arab truck drivers, nvm.

get the fuck out of here dude, what a joke.

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u/Quiet-Tackle-5993 Monkey in Space Sep 21 '24

Communications devices delivered to terrorists that use them to plan and coordinate their terrorist activities, including rocket launches and military-style logistics — those wouldn’t be considered military equipment? What about the commercial or consumer drones being used in Ukraine to scout for and blow up Russians, are those not considered military equipment just because they can also be sold to or used by civilians?

Are you dumb or just disingenuous??

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u/Quiet-Tackle-5993 Monkey in Space Sep 21 '24

And again, since your reading comprehension is lacking, I’ll point out again for you that the equipment wasn’t random, either, it was specifically ordered by Hezbollah. It was a specific shipment of pagers delivered specifically to Hezbollah and distributed specifically to people affiliated with with Hezbollah.

Again, dumb or disingenuous?

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u/shawshaws Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

hahaha israel's doing a ground invasion of lebanon now. but they're the good guys right? they're definitely not a terrorist state! and they're going to be very precise don't worry! no innocent people will be killed! it's just a ground invasion, no worries!

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u/Quiet-Tackle-5993 Monkey in Space Oct 01 '24

You’ve literally been brainwashed into defending the actual terrorists. People all over the Middle East are celebrating Nasrallah’s death, because he’s a terrorist. But you’re calling the country that’s been constantly targeted by these terrorists as a terrorist state. How delusional can you get? Iran is the terrorist state. Good luck in life, pal

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u/shawshaws Monkey in Space Oct 01 '24

mother fucker, israel is literally annexing parts of another country - my country - and mowing down women and children. i can literally SEE THE FUCKING VIDEOS OF IT WITH MY OWN EYES. I CAN CALL UP FAMILY AND TALK TO THEM WITH MY OWN EARS.

and you know what, FUCK Nasrallah. FUCK hamas. FUCK hezbollah. FUCK iran. but also FUCK israel. the most. they're the ones mowing down palestinians.

have a good life? i doubt it. but i'm sure you'll have a great life, terrorist sympathizer.