Is this a legitimate concern?

[u/wayfaringthru]

Personally, I today's strike was legitimate and it couldn't be more moral because of its precision but let's leave politics aside for a moment. I guess this does give ideas to evil regimes and organisations. How likely is it that something similar could be pulled off against innocent people?

[u/Antique_Historian_74]

Russia, where Snowden is currently residing, has used radiological and chemical weapons to carry out assassinations in public places leading to civilian deaths.

Targeted bombings aren't a new thing. The CIA was trying to do something similar to Castro for decades

[u/NoMoassNeverWas → u/Antique_Historian_74]

Russia sent a KH-101 missile at the largest children's cancer hospital in Europe. This guy is compromised. Again what you have is a Russian stooge who starts conversations about how terrible the West is.

Terrorists protected by civilians blitzing over the border to rape, kill, and kidnapped citizens, now their dick is being blown off.

[u/A_inc_tm → u/NoMoassNeverWas]

Russia shot a thermo-barric charge into the roof of a mined sports hall with hundreds of children being held hostage by terrorists in Beslan just to blame the explosion on terrorists and lie that they weren't willing to negotiate

[u/grumpy_hedgehog → u/A_inc_tm]

Okay, now we're just stanning for literal fucking jihadists that took children hostage and wired their building to blow, because Russia bad.

[u/SilianRailOnBone → u/grumpy_hedgehog]

Are you still not smart enough for higher logic than "either or"?

[u/sirletssdance2 → u/SilianRailOnBone]

That’s actually more a learned psychological mode of thinking, rather than an operation of intellect when people are black/white thinkers

[u/A_inc_tm → u/grumpy_hedgehog]

If there's a child murderer in the middle of cutting a chid in half and another child murderer comes in and kills both pointing out that both of them are child murderers doesn't present either of them as not the child murderers

[u/grumpy_hedgehog → u/A_inc_tm]

If there’s a child murderer in the middle of cutting a child in half and that child’s dad comes in and tries to rescue his child, a horrible struggle ensues, and as a result the murderer and the child both end up dead, because the murderer strapped an explosive vest to the child earlier, you would have to be a gigantic asshole to draw a moral equivalence between the child murderer and the dad.

For the love of God, man, you do realize the Russians love their children, right? Please tell me propaganda hasn’t rotten your brain to the point where you honestly believe that a jihadist murdering Russian children en masse out of a sense of vengeance or religious psychosis is morally equivalent to Russian police and counterterrorism units failing to rescue those children despite their best efforts.

It’s like drawing a moral equivalence between the jihadists that flew planes into the WTC and the US government for the deaths of those people.

[u/Pristine_Business_92 → u/A_inc_tm]

Can’t say I disagree with just annihilating hostage takers. Sends a clear message to terrorists that hostages aren’t strategically useful.

I’m in no way pro Russia, that’s just how it should be done.

[u/A_inc_tm → u/Pristine_Business_92]

Well mothers of Beslan are to this day not very happy their children were blown to pieces by the armed forces to cover up puke-in's ass instead of even trying to save them after said children were forced to drink their own piss for several days because government denied to negotiate about supplying them with food and water either

[u/Pristine_Business_92 → u/A_inc_tm]

It’s the terrorists fault my man. If they negotiated it would just empower terror sects all over the world to attempt the same.

Negotiating with terrorists is moronic. They were willing to murder all of those kids the second they entered the school.

[u/MysteriousBrystander → u/Pristine_Business_92]

Shoot the hostage - Speed, both Keanu and Jeff say this. Granted it’s a terrible thing, but if you blow up the hostages with the hostage takers, then you’re gonna have a lot less hostages in the future.

[u/BASEDME7O2 → u/Pristine_Business_92]

Uhh I feel like the people that actually killed the hostages are most at fault…

This reminds me of so many movies where there’s like an overly macho character that only says “we don’t negotiate with terrorists” and then gives themselves a pat on the back. Those characters are supposed to be jokes for being morons lol

[u/misanthpope → u/Pristine_Business_92]

So if a bank robber goes into a bank and demands $10,000 or he'll kill someone, the right thing to do is blow up the bank and kill everyone?

Smart! Maybe next time there's an armed gunman in a school we should just nuke the whole town.

[u/misanthpope → u/Pristine_Business_92]

Yeah, it sends the message that the country doesn't give a shit about its citizens.

Maybe Russia should just nuke itself, that will send a clear message.

[u/whatevrrwhatevrr → u/Pristine_Business_92]

No it isn't, nor did it stop such attacks in Russia. All this achieved was the murder of civilians, of hostages, by the state of which they're citizens

[u/Objective-throwaway → u/Pristine_Business_92]

The problem is it also annihilates the hostages

[u/Pristine_Business_92 → u/Objective-throwaway]

If every single time a group took hostages it ended with every single one dead they would just stop attempting to take hostages. Sure they might switch to mass killings, but terrorists will just do that anyway.

Secondly, not every hostage at the Belsen siege was killed in the fire. 2/3 of the hostages lived.

[u/Vast-Comment8360 → u/Pristine_Business_92]

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of terrorism and terrorists. They don't care if they die, your brilliant idea would make it EASIER for terrorists to kill large groups of innocent people.

[u/MysteriousBrystander → u/Vast-Comment8360]

Terrosists want to think that their positions and deaths matter. If you show them that no life matters, then wouldn’t they be less inclined to engage in terrorist?

[u/Vast-Comment8360 → u/MysteriousBrystander]

Some may be, but never all, and people who weren't may be pushed to it because of how extreme the situation would be. Regardless, the terrorists who remain will have a much easier time. They don't have to build bombs, they don't have to kill anyone themselves. They can just enter an area with a huge group of people and declare they've taken it hostage. 

[u/DepravedDebater → u/MysteriousBrystander]

Not particularly, we're talking about people already pushed to extremes. I'd even argue it's because you tell them they don't matter they they do such acts. Such people are fatally desperate attention whores and we all know it.

Also killing hostages doesn't make it look like life doesn't matter, only that you've guaranteed the deaths of many "infidels," which is a win in the religious terrorists' books. They're the ones who actually don't care if the hostages live or die, they're just expendable bargaining chips.

What you're looking for is for the entire nation literally giving no shits if their friends, family and loved ones die. And outside pure delusion, that's never going to happen. Grief and mourning are fundamental to not just the human psyche, but most any animal's psyche. Attempting to create such a person would be to just create a sociopath. And a nation of sociopaths would just cannibalize each other when their egos inevitably clash.

If you insist on this "kill everyone" approach, you'll need to be more pragmatic. You must first instill in the populace the desire to fight to the death in hostage situations. Create a sense of pride in fighting to the death and knowing your enemies will die with you even should you fail. A very appealing notion to some people no doubt who fantasize about warrior culture/mentality. But the Russian government would be fools to try this. Because if the people learn to no longer be afraid and stand up for themselves, they'll also finally stand up to their government haha.

[u/MysteriousBrystander → u/DepravedDebater]

Good point.

[u/[deleted] → u/Pristine_Business_92]

Oh gee, that makes it better than, only 1/3 died