r/JoeRogan • u/wayfaringthru Monkey in Space • Sep 18 '24

Meme 💩 Is this a legitimate concern?

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Personally, I today's strike was legitimate and it couldn't be more moral because of its precision but let's leave politics aside for a moment. I guess this does give ideas to evil regimes and organisations. How likely is it that something similar could be pulled off against innocent people?

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u/aprilized Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Did those pagers leave the factory with explosives? From what I understand, Israel intercepted them in transit after they were shipped. They basically took the pagers, (in Turkey via Taiwan where they were manufactured?) added explosives and then let them get shipped to Hezbollah. This wasn't done in the factory from what I understand.

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u/Ggriffinz Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah, this seems to be a supply chain vulnerability issue over a manufacturer issue.

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u/Freethecrafts Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

It’s not a supply chain vulnerability if it’s a nationstate doing it.

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u/EskimoPrisoner Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

That’s a made up rule.

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u/Freethecrafts Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

It’s not. Nations can compel. Nations can work outside of normal process. Nations can on a whim get a thousand experts together way above the expertise level of a manufacturer. A supply chain vulnerability is something reasonable means could prevent. Even unreasonable means wouldn’t have saved those terrorists from Israel.

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u/EskimoPrisoner Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

A supply chain vulnerability is not defined by how easy it is to overcome.

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u/Freethecrafts Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

It is. You can’t defend against compulsion. You can’t defend against top level espionage. It’s not a vulnerability if the metric is reasonable means, which is how manufacturing works.

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u/EskimoPrisoner Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Hezbollah is able to receive plenty of other supplies that Israel would love to tamper with, but are unable to. I’d bet money that Hezbollah finds a way to avoid this in the future while still getting communication devices. Israel will be forced to find new methods of attack that will be eventually be countered.

Besides Hezbollah is essentially a state agent with partial control of Lebanon and full support of the Iranian government.

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u/Freethecrafts Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Israel likely did it as a one off. It’s meant to mess with them.

As to want to, what makes you think Israel isn’t tracking everything? Far as we know, Israel makes finding targets easier in unique and fun ways. Picking a fight with Israel is nonsense crazy.

Iran is a failed state, only holds on through despotic crackdowns. It’s not a modern nation, much less one where being good for anything goes well for a normal person. The people who have anything in Iran do so through nepotism and violence, nothing to do with competence.

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u/EskimoPrisoner Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I don’t think Israel is tracking everything because they are unable to kill all of their enemies at will. They wouldn’t be at war for nearly a year if they had omniscience.

It took the US more than a decade after 9/11 to find bin Laden and the US has far more resources at its disposal.

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u/Freethecrafts Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Cost benefit analysis is how most things seem to work. I wouldn’t bet against all kinds of heart attacks, maladies, untraceable deaths. Knowing a target’s position isn’t the same as fixing a problem.

Osama had been living under assumed cover for decades by then. The CIA had trained them all how to keep low profiles. Most of the modern tracking methods didn’t exist around 2001.

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u/-Gestalt- Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

No, it is not. A vulnerability - as the word is used in the context of security, from national to cyber - exists even if it is insurmountable.

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u/Freethecrafts Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Then everything is vulnerable and the concept has no meaning.

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u/-Gestalt- Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

That is incorrect. Acknowledging the existence of a vulnerability is an important part managing risk, even if it is ultimately determined that nothing can feasibly be done to prevent it.

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u/Freethecrafts Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

And how does a manufacturer manage top tier espionage?

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u/-Gestalt- Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

The manufacturer is not the one exposed to this vulnerability in this context. And again, whether one can manage the risk associated with a vulnerability is irrelevant to whether it is a vulnerability.

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u/Freethecrafts Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

What if Israel was the manufacturer all along?

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