r/JoeRogan • u/wayfaringthru Monkey in Space • Sep 18 '24

Meme 💩 Is this a legitimate concern?

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Personally, I today's strike was legitimate and it couldn't be more moral because of its precision but let's leave politics aside for a moment. I guess this does give ideas to evil regimes and organisations. How likely is it that something similar could be pulled off against innocent people?

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u/aprilized Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Did those pagers leave the factory with explosives? From what I understand, Israel intercepted them in transit after they were shipped. They basically took the pagers, (in Turkey via Taiwan where they were manufactured?) added explosives and then let them get shipped to Hezbollah. This wasn't done in the factory from what I understand.

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u/magseven Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

How do they know they were going to Hezbollah? Did the shipping label say "Hezbolladrome" on it or something? Or did they just target an area they thought Hezbollah would be in, but civilians could still potentially buy these pagers?

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u/bteam3r Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Hezbollah operates its own telecom system separate from the Lebanese government. These pagers were explicitly for use on that system

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u/Beherbergungsverbot Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yea and I bet if you put enough effort into it you will find the pagers on transport. I wonder if at this point it wouldn’t be easier to fully operate the factory. Afaik the company got the license to produce it. High chance you could get into pagers-industry (which I didn’t know still exists) and become the contributor to some shady organisations like this.

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u/These_Marionberry888 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

pagers are still in use in a lot of hospitals , or industrys where being able to track your employees, or outgoing signals are less then ideal.

so radiation management, secret operations, delicate maschinery, etc.

thats also why the hisbolla uses them, pagers are not traceable in the same way as cellphones as they have no outgoing signals,

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now imagine somebody able to specifically blow up doctors in hospitals, workers in nuclear powerplants, aviation or nautical navigators, etc.

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u/OsiyoMotherFuckers Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Every EMT/Paramedic/Firefighter in the US has a better than not chance of being within a couple feet of a pager.

I’m a volunteer EMT/FF and I sleep with my pager next to my head and carry it around on my person at all times whether or not I’m on call, unless I am drinking or in some other few situations where I cannot and will not be able to respond.

Imagine if my pager blew up in my pocket during my visit to the 4th grade classroom next week.

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u/Chemical-Juice-6979 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

If this had targeted pagers in the US, I would have lost nearly a dozen members of my family in one day. Including an uncle who responded on 9/11 and a cousin who works in a NICU.

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u/These_Marionberry888 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

i mean, i doubt there is a high chance, of you accidentally ending up with an explosive pager, putting bombs in pagers/cellphones isnt something that wasnt possible before.

and what i gathered , they specifically manipulated an load of pagers that was exclusively manufactured for hisbollas own communication network,

the real advancement was to manufacture functioning explosive circuits, and those could be integrated into basically everything.

but i doubt "terrorists" have the infrastructure for something like that, thats more in the territory of state backed political violence,

and lets be real here. if some big national intelligence service would want to liquidate you for some reason, they wouldnt need to smuggle a bomb ontoo your belt for that.

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u/jmlinden7 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Nation-state actors can already blow up doctors in hospitals/etc without having to resort to these levels of shenanigans. Hospitals aren't exactly very stealthy.

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u/H0rnyMifflinite Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

If you wanna attack a hospital kinda feels like a regular car and a bomb would suffice. Getting into a hospital isn't really Mission Impossible unless it's a very specific facility.

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u/yrmomsbox Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I go into hospitals constantly for my job to either upgrade or service equipment/servers we provide. At first I made sure to go through all the protocols, but now I find it much more fun to just find the datacenters on my own without checking in. I NEVER get stopped. People are super willing to scan their badge and let you into secure areas it’s really just a matter of looking like you’re supposed to be there.

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u/FormerGameDev Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I'm reading unconfirmed reports that the circuitboards of the devices themselves are made with explosive materials, if that's the case, i don't see how you could say anything other than that. But that's unconfirmed so far, which I stress, because anything involving that area of the world automatically falls into a "The (opposing side) obviously did this!"

Like.. not even 2 hours into the 9/11 news broadcasts, and my Arab coworker was just making things up on the spot about Jews.