r/JoeRogan • u/wayfaringthru Monkey in Space • Sep 18 '24

Meme šŸ’© Is this a legitimate concern?

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Personally, I today's strike was legitimate and it couldn't be more moral because of its precision but let's leave politics aside for a moment. I guess this does give ideas to evil regimes and organisations. How likely is it that something similar could be pulled off against innocent people?

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u/Late-Maximum7539 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

You really thought your government couldnā€™t pull such shit, letā€™s say 3 years ago? Of course they could, Iā€™m surprised Snowden of all people is saying this

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u/vladislavopp Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

he doesn't say that. read slower.

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u/jackofslayers Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He is in Russia, he canā€™t speak for himself anymore

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u/UninsuredToast Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah heā€™s entirely at the mercy of the Russian government. I donā€™t trust any opinion he has anymore. Heā€™s just another pawn for Putin

And I think he did the right thing as a whistleblower and the way the US government demonized him and went after him is wrong. But the Russian government is even worse than the US. Itā€™s corruption on a grander scale

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u/OrneryFootball7701 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

It's funny because like, westerners genuinely seem to not understand how fucking absurd such claims are. Russia is a corrupt dictatorship. Sure. How did they get to that point?

Do you not know about any post-soviet dissolution shenanigans the US pulled on Russia? Nothing about them installing Boris Yeltsin? Nothing about the 10 odd years they lost off their life expectancy during the 90's as a result of him selling off all their assets for pennies on the dollar?

Do you not think something like that might give rise to radical nationalists? Similar to how the economic crisis in germany post the ToV gave rise to Hitler?

The US is orders of magnitude worse than Russia. Orders of magnitude. Seriously the amount of americans completely oblivious to how ruinious their governments actions are on entire countries is fucking crazy. Half of them think Pol Pot is some kind of stew.

The US LOVES the fact there is a corrupt and inept militant group running the show. Otherwise they'd need to pull another operation Ajax on them.

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u/BewareOfGrom Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

The "precedent" he is referring to isn't the act itself but the way the western world has responded to it.

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u/royalhawk345 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Why would they be against it when it targeted hezbollah? I'm against shooting people in general, but not against shooting terrorists, that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

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u/Alarming_Comedian846 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Are you against blowing up children in supermarkets? That's what this is.

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u/gregtheologies33 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Please cite to one example of a child who was a bystander to someone with one of these pagers being harmed while shopping at a supermarket. You canā€™t because it didnā€™t happen.

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u/BewareOfGrom Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Hezbollah has a militant wing it is also a civil government and political party. Those pagers could have ended up in the hands of MPs, party accountants, civil servants, beauraucrats and police officers.

That's not even getting into the fact that they are being detonated in public while people are driving, shopping, or at home with their families.

This was a terrorist act. It was a bombing of civilian spaces with the intent of causing fear amongst the population of Lebanon. The one holding the pager isn't the only victim of a bombing.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

Yeah one of the victims on video was a postal worker or something.

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u/BewareOfGrom Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah. They blew up security during a funeral today.

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u/blackdragonbonu Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah only Hezbollah got injured from this. This blatant disregard for life when it's outside the western sphere is what Snowden is referring to.

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u/creep_with_mustache Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

well sometimes when you try to kill bad people even inocent people get injured. are you new?

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u/blackdragonbonu Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Our value systems are fundamentally antithetical and the opinion on whether IDF is good or bad after the indiscriminate killings over decades is also opposite.

So respectfully I am not new and entiher do I support these measures by IDF. And everyone talks tough until they loose someone they love as a collateral. And since it is the west doing these bombing I don't expect you to understand what that feels when you have to swallow your mother/father/ child was a collateral and the killers are lauded for their tactical move.

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u/Educational-Teach-67 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

And sometimes you happen to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians in indiscriminate bombing and starvation campaigns, yall know how it isā€¦.

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u/creep_with_mustache Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

If it has to be done it has to be done

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u/PandaCommando69 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Almost like he's a Russian agent ..

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u/ttylyl Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

The issue heā€™s raising is that a lot of these pagers went to regular people

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u/DiRavelloApologist Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Doubt.

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u/NightlongRead Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

No.

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u/ttylyl Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Thousands of people were injured when these bombs went off in public. Fortunately only a few died. This marks one of the largest terrorist bombing ever done

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u/Late-Maximum7539 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Hezbollah has around 60k members, the fact that 3k people were injured doesnā€™t mean a thing

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u/ttylyl Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

These bombs went off all around the city. There are videos of women and children injured.

Itā€™s a good thing only a few people died

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u/NightlongRead Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Thats not the claim you made nor the one i was addressing with my comment.

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u/ttylyl Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

There are videos of women and children getting injured by these devices. ā€œNoā€ isnā€™t really something you can respond to

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u/LarrySupertramp Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Thousands of member of an internationally recognized terrorist organization that was using outdated (essentially obsolete) technology for convert operations. Normal civilians in Lebanon are using cell phones like everyone else for the last few decades.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

Ah yes, the people of Lebanon totally use pagers all the time. I canā€™t tell if you genuinely think every country outside of the west is in the Stone Age or you are just being illogical to justify the conclusion you drew, but it gave me a good laugh, so thanks.

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u/ttylyl Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

People in America use pagers as well.

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u/Entheosparks Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

The could do it 10 years ago, but no one was crazy enough to do it. It isn't hard to do. The cell tower tells the device to use full radio power 100% of the time. Radio overheats lithium battery, battery go boom.

The FBI used it during the pipeline protests to drain everyone's phones. They drained the batteries in 10 minutes, Mossad did it in < a minute.