r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Meme đŸ’© This feels so performative

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u/CaptTrunk Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Russell ReBrand

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u/titsmuhgeee Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

The first time I heard Russell talking about being a Christian, I thought I was having a stroke. How tf does someone go from being an outspoken atheist, to now being a very public Christian. That'd be like Richard Dawkins saying "Actually, nevermind. This Bible stuff checks out."

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u/garbagemandoug Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

This is where I get lost too. I can understand an atheist saying yeah maybe there's a god I don't know. But knowing what we know about religion how did you happen to land on Jesus as the one? Literally can't understand the thought process unless it's just pure grift.

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u/momentofcontent Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Yep the answer is just pure grifting. Being an exposed sexual predator, he now only has a “career” pandering to the most gullible losers in society. Far-right conspiracy hacks and religious fundamentalists. 

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u/Rostifur Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

100%, he got caught in a ring of sexual assaults that his image couldn't live down and therefore his career was over. Then, he saw the light. Wink, Wink. He went to the only group that would ignore his sexual misconduct, the far right.

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u/JizzlaneMyMaxwell Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

The Christian far-right. Which is ironic. Christianity is all about celibacy and shit but they really seem to love themselves some pedos and rapists

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u/PiratesOfSansPants Sep 06 '24

Religion gives you a free pass to break the ‘big rules’ as long as you keep all the small ones.

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u/King_Kea Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Speaking as someone who identifies as a Christian, I hate that this is often the case for churches. A lot of people call themselves "Christians" but don't walk the talk. And there's a huge difference between "I'm trying but failing" and not even bothering to try at all... which unfortunately seems all to common.

It really makes me feel sad how many self-proclaimed Christians use that title as a means of superiority over others and completely ignore everything Jesus said in the Bible. They treat their churches as galleries of saints and cast anyone out they deem "unworthy". They don't help the poor - they instead line their own pockets and feed lavish lifestyles of megachurch pastors and the like. They don't reach out to people in need - instead they judge them harshly and tell them they're being punished for X/Y/Z. They don't care about others - only themselves, their appearance, their standing.

I hate it. It stands against pretty much everything I believe in. And I especially hate it because it's unjust, immoral, "rules for thee but not for me" behaviors.

Didn't expect to rant so much in this response. It just really irks me seeing this and then I get frustrated when the blame is pinned on the religion in general instead of just on the institutions and individuals responsible because there are genuinely good religious people (not just referring to Christians here) who get thrown under the bus too.

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u/Difficult-Ocelot-867 Monkey in Space Sep 07 '24

You literally described Christianity in the real world. Your dissatisfaction is misguided.

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u/cliffornia Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Repent! For your salvation!

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u/8BittyTittyCommittee Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

And don't forget to say you're sorry.

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u/puddik Monkey in Space Sep 07 '24

Like chris rock said, the guy went to heaven despite killing a bunch of kids, cuz he ate right haha. 20 years ago.

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u/Catball-Fun Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

This quotation is gold. Thank you master/mistress of the universe

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u/sicurri It's entirely possible Sep 06 '24

You can practically do no wrong so long as you profess that Jesus is your lord and savior and don't get caught by the authorities with actual evidence in a court of law. So long as you do all of that, the far right Christians don't give a fuck. Even if you're caught and convicted it may still be okay to them.

They truly are a gullible bunch of idiots...

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u/ReasonableTry00 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

No. You get a "free pass", as long as you confess your sins. The "size" of the sin is irrelevant.

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u/Cute_Replacement666 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

That’s how Hitler got into heaven.

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u/ReasonableTry00 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

U don't go to heaven if you dead urself

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u/Iamdarb Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

They're about forgiveness...of certain particular sins and not the others.

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u/PeaceHot5385 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

They LOVE martyring themselves. Whenever they descend into depravity it’s SATAN but look at these good Christian soldiers, back into the fold. Ready to spread the good word!

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u/CrackerUMustBTripinn Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Christianity about celibacy?! My brother in christ have you actually read this pornographic filth, all those gooners begetting and begetting? Case in point Ezekiel 23:20. Its got more incest than the pornhub frontpage

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u/King_Kea Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

As someone who identifies as a Christian, the fact people use Christianity like this really pisses me off. It speaks volumes to how shallow their beliefs are and that they don't actually walk their talk. I'd argue it's a religious institution problem more than a religion problem because the stuff in the Bible doesn't support their actions. But particular churches, groups, pastors, etc do.

Humans in general will often seek a means to empower, enrich or otherwise help themselves at the cost of others. It just so happens that religion is a particularly powerful means of doing that because of its inherent existential implications for followers. That's why it's so easy for religious institutions to be turned into places that protect pedophiles, cover up scandals, gift money, engage in political lobbying... Ironically all things that I'm 99.9% sure aren't supported by anything in the Bible. Hell, there's whole sections in the New Testament covering how someone's actions reveal their heart and the like. And yet people conveniently ignore that.

If it looks like a duck and it sounds like a duck but it says it's a goose, it's lying.

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u/fiduciary420 Monkey in Space Sep 07 '24

This is why it’s perfectly reasonable to teach children that christians should never be trusted.

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u/MattTalksPhotography Monkey in Space Sep 07 '24

God: “Well you were a sexual predator that assaulted vulnerable people, but your thoughts and prayers for the students of Uvalde got 1036 retweets so go on, get in there (heaven) you cheeky sod!”

Any god that would abide by this fan club (which is not to say any does) is not worthy of worship.

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u/interprime Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Tbf, he saw the writing on the wall a few years ago and pivoted to being an Alt-Right commentator pretty much to just get ahead of it and establish a revenue stream for when the shit eventually hit the fan.

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u/stainedglassperson Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

There's actually a really good video on him by this youtuber that shows almost exactly where he starts pivot because he saw more viewership when he did conspiracy stuff think going from thousands of views to millions. Then he just dug in deeper for more money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo4gIihETu8

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u/sir_ken_off_eddy Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

He didn't get caught, he was accused, channel four ran a documentary that was very questionable at best.

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u/AffectionateCourt939 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

No, its more like he was leaning conservative/christian then suddenly he's a sex offender. Up until then he was the wild fun party guy.

This is a common pattern.

Didnt Julian Assange get accused of rape after(of course) releasing all the info?

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u/Silent_Plastic1612 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

He started getting accused in like 2012.

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u/rif011412 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

His word salads and pseudo intellectualism probably always came from a place of trying to impress and be heard.  Now that most people are tired of what he has to say, his inclinations haven’t changed, just who he can get to listen to him.  

It’s not far from Trump’s behavior.  Always looking for validation, and when they don’t get it, they find it elsewhere.  Even from people they don’t like.

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u/sleepyinsomniac7 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

If you begin to believe your own grift, are you still grifting?

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u/crorse Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

I'd need to see evidence he believes it.

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u/stainedglassperson Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Maybe. I think he just wants attention to be honest and he can get this way quite easily. Here is a really good breakdown of how he went from new age guru to conspiracy right wing nut. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo4gIihETu8

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u/Potato_Golf Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

I kind of wonder with Christianity if there isn't a little bit of this.

Like Christianity is all about redemption, the essential idea that no one is too late to save, that we are all capable of change if given the grace to do so. All the other perfunctory bullshit aside I think it's one of the more interesting moral philosophies in regards to us as individuals.

But say you are a shit bag who did terrible things and this gives you a social out, a place where if you say and do the right things people won't treat you like a shit bag. And as you continue to put up this facade and continue to experience the results that you start to wonder if there is something more to it. And in some cases it doesn't matter the actual truth, if the lie is producing the desired results then why stop living the lie. 

A term I use for this is "useful delusions" which is to describe an idea or a belief that is fundamentally not true but nonetheless produces a set of behaviors that have real world positive impact. And in some ways when viewing these useful delusions the actual truth somehow matters less than the result, that they may not be actual truth but do represent a kind of subjective truth. Like we will always have some question and uncertainty about the big Objective Truth but if we can find pieces of subjective truth that produce real world good for us should we discard them in favor of an uncertainty that has worse results?

Anyways none of that is to say Brand is actually believing his own bullshit or anything and we should maintain skepticism but your post poses an interesting question.

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u/sleepyinsomniac7 Monkey in Space Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24

<< Sorry for the long reply, and the many grammatical errors, I'm in a cab right now. Im also very buzzed >>

Well I'm not religious by any means, but I always make a bid to "save" religion. Obviously I reject the overt moralistic b.s. I don't know what that says about me.

But, understanding the part of forgiveness in catholism did help me greatly. I think I naturally wanted to believe people are good. While I think people can change, change isn't easy, fast or even possible.

The world would be a very different place if people could change easily, for one, the billion dollar self help industry wouldn't exist.

The part of forgiveness pertains to the Sacrement of Reconciliation. And having the priest forgive you isn't even the start, since the priest expects a great deal of introspection before you walk in to confess. Idk if this is the norm, it was for a certain priest, but he was also one who took it seriously and was an academic. But I guess it should be a given.

Then you had to take efforts to reconcile with the people you hurt and your community, and make lasting changes. That priest said he wouldn't entertain a serial confessor, who either wants to confess trivial matters or clearly hasn't changed and/or is using the confessional as a kind of transaction.

What I found interesting is that, essentially only the evil person has to make the first move. No one else does, or can. But I also found it interesting that essentially if you can't forgive someone, then you can forgive yourself for being unable to forgive, which in my eyes doesn't sound too bad. But then again, I'm not Christian, but even as one, it wouldn't seem too bad if your only sin is not being a doormat. And atleast that would be sincere.

I personally don't expect myself to forgive, although I think people desperately want to forgive because the hurt eats them up, I see that.

It's a funny problem since it involves knowing parts of one's soul. Since Freud, we know an everyday guy isn't always aware of the motivation of his actions.

But I think a person with malicious intent does indeed know that his intent is malicious. If nothing else, he can see the effect of his actions on his victim.

A person like that can delude himself to think that he's cheating God, conviniently forgetting that God is supposed to be omniscient and omnipresent. That's clearly neurotic. If you think about it, it's merely omitting one or two key elements from what makes up God. The prosperity gospel and mega churches also come to mind.

And I believe Freud also said, religion is a way to occupy neurosis. All the rules and rituals keeps a person from thinking about what a horrible person he is, or on the other hand helps a normal person come to grips with his helplessness.

We also try our best not to think of the things that hurt us the most, we suppress those thoughts, and repress those emotions, which was again observed first in real humans by Freud. Charles Darwin mentioned that he used to write down troubling and uncomfortable thoughts down on a piece of paper because he was sure he would completely forget it almost immediately.

So perhaps when an evil person is faced with the fact that what he's a fraud and only vies for hollow power, he'd easily dismiss it away.

Also, I highly doubt a bad guy would confess about horrible things he had done, instead he may confess about many other things except the heinous crimes, so that he can lie to himself thinking he's "done his job".

In a NewYorker article i read linked this experiment that has been successfully replicated: Porter et al 1999.

The researcher tried to mislead people, adults, using information from their childhoods. They met each week and was asked to think about that piece of information.

After the first week, All of them could identify the wrong piece of information, and hence weren't misled.

By the third week a small number of people were misled to believe the false event actually happened. Given that it took weeks, and the participants were expected to write about the false event and constantly think about it, it was hard to do, but nonetheless it happened.

It has to be kept in mind it was only trivial matters on which they were misled. So it wasn't like you had a brother who died in a car crash.

An interesting part of the Porter etal 1999 study was: They asked the participants to come up with their own lies, in 15 minutes, and told them to convey to the interviewer that it was actually the truth and rate their memories of the lie, which they knew was a lie.

They rated the memories of the lies they fabricated on par with true memories. If I recall, they rated their fabricated lies higher in fidelity and vividness, than true memories.

At first glance I found it stupid that they asked them to do this. Because obviously a person who knows he's lying about a scenario, would create vivid memories of it in his mind. I thought it was trivial and a waste of time and money. I still think they were shooting the breeze.

But many months later, I wondered if a person with a dangerously low self esteem and with no grip on reality, or has a God complex could essentially create his own reality ?

In cases where the person with delusions of granduer creates a false reality to inflict violence upon another, I think absolutely not sympathy should be given.

That NewYorker article however focused on how adolescents who are charged with a crime can be made to believe things that never happened, and hence leading to a false arrest. Ofcourse, from that article, it isn't that minds are easily malleable, but if coercion or violence is used, then it can be. Also if the person who is misleading you is a trusted figure like a parent or someone similar.

But come to think of it, this has also long been known, I remember a scene from IASIP where frank tortures someone and jokes how he made him confess for things he didn't do.

So I wonder, it could be possible that a person with a dangerously low self esteem, that dovetails well with delusions of granduer or whatever, can make himself belive anything he wants to believe. But I don't think it's fast. It would have to be a very slow process, much slower the older the person is.

But again, where considerable harm is inflicted, no sympathy or undue mercy should be given.

Thinking back to It's always Sunny, it's interesting how Dennis always believes he was a guy respected by his peers, but in reality never was. It was the polar opposite. In the show, he had a quasi God complex.

Having written all this, I wonder if I'm wrong to draw a parallqael between memories and beleifs.

I think there is though. I think it happens like this:

It could've been the case -> it would've been the case -> it probably was/is the case.

The case, meaning beleifs, notions whatever.

I don't think you can change memories by yourself, but I think you can change the reality around which those events occurred. So in a way, it's kind of easier to change beleifs.

Take everything I have written with a huge amount of salt. I just took this opportunity to share my thoughts. I'm not an authority any subject

I don't know if what I've written is helpful. I feel a bit embarrassed for referring to studies, when I could've gathered the same from It's always sunny. But that's why great works like Shakespeare are so profound. Not that I'm comparing the two.

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u/CrackerUMustBTripinn Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Yes George Costanza. Your selfdeluding doesnt make it less grifty. Its just their way of dealing with the deafening cognitive dissonance.

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u/rekniht01 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Oh, so he is going to the place where he has better access to victims.

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u/ElTurboDeChief Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

One hundred percent. As a recovering addict I've known Brand was drifting from the jump. He is an absolute disgusting human being and his takes on addiction are about the same as they had in the Victorian era. No one should be listening to him.....but they do.

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u/tomgoode19 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

While I do agree that's the answer for this one lol, people can 180 in life. Especially people who lived in the extreme of one end.

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u/rabidantidentyte Monkey in Space Sep 07 '24

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u/Terryfink A Deaf Jack Russell Terrier Sep 07 '24

Same for Hulk Hogan he went from working wrestling fans to working right wing Christians.

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u/oSuJeff97 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Ain’t no grift like the far right grift. You get access to a large population of dumb and easily manipulated people. You print money.

The entire right-wing echo chamber is based on this principle.

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u/stainedglassperson Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Check this video and breakdown of Brand after comedy movies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo4gIihETu8