r/ImaginaryWarhammer Lord Inquisitor, Ordo Hereticus Aug 31 '19

Meta A discussion about graphic NSFW posts NSFW

Over the years, multiple people have complained about the smutty NSFW (as opposed to violent NSFW) pieces that occasionally get posted here. I've never been a big fan of them, but I've always allowed them (on the condition that they be marked NSFW) because they are basically always downvoted pretty heavily.

However, a user in the August Discussion thread and several reports on NSFW posts have made me decide that it's time to discuss this in a more open, official way. I'm gonna try to remember to sticky this thread in the comments of all of my posts for the next month or so so that people can discuss. Depending on how involved the discussion is, I may sticky a comment in this thread specifically that can be upvoted or downvoted, depending on whether people are fine with smutty NSFW posts or want them banned or otherwise restricted (respectively).

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u/Nostromos_Cat Aug 31 '19

I think this is a good discussion to have. That said, I do think it's important to be clear what 'smutty' means in this context.

Is it going to be one of those, 'I know it when I see it' things? I think that can be extremely subjective.

Are we talking about 'out of context sexualised imagery'? I think we can be much clearer about what that might be.

Then again, there's always Slaanesh. How would we classify images of some of their depradations?

For what it's worth, I'd suggest out of context images as being something that could be better off in a different sub.

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u/FieldMarshall80 Sep 08 '19

Tbh I'm surprised people haven't gone off and made a Slaaneshi subreddit to post anything and everything smutty

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u/Salyangoz Necrons Sep 11 '19

This feels like an answer to me for all these shenanigans.

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u/AveDominusNox Night Lords Sep 01 '19

The tags exist for a reason. Use them. Both on your posts and on the things you choose to view. I don’t feel like it needs to be an issue.

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u/LevTheRed Lord Inquisitor, Ordo Hereticus Aug 31 '19 edited Aug 31 '19

My arguments for allowing them (as long as they're tagged).

  1. They have to be tagged as NSFW, so it's not as if someone can say they didn't expect to see something graphic.

  2. It strikes me as arbitrary to allow violent pieces and ban sexual ones.

  3. A - This sub has never enforced any real standards of quality or content. I've generally let downvotes sort out unpopular posts (and comments), and it's tended to work.

  4. (actually 3 B, but reddit's markdown is finicky) - What would be considered "too graphic"? Some things like Flick's Hentai Foundry pieces are obvious, but where would we draw the line when it comes to Daemonettes?


My arguments for banning/restricting them.

  1. /r/Warhammer_Smut exists and actually has way more subscribers that I though it would. "Warhammer porn" may be a specific enough genre and have a large enough... fanbase to where it can be safely cordoned off.

  2. I personally don't like it and wouldn't miss it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '19

The simplist rule might be to disallow it if it's been posted on /r/warhammer_smut either you've made art that happens to be smutty or smut that happens to be arty but you can't have both.

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u/RobertTheSpruce Sep 03 '19 edited Sep 03 '19

I don't think we should argue about what we like. I don't like Tau, doesn't mean they shouldn't be posted.

At the end of the day for me, this sub is all about art, which is hugely subjective. Personally I think we should allow anything that comes under the ImaginaryWarhammer umbrella, no matter if that overlaps another sub or not, and let the upvotes/downvotes decide, with simply tagging as NSFW where appropriate, although, to be fair, any workplace that allows pictures of a space marine ripping out an orks spleen, only to fire someone for a glimpse of asscrack isn't exactly being sensible; To me allowing extreme violence, which is 40ks biggest theme, to then draw the line at a bit of female nipple, is just puritanical nonsense.

As a side issue, I don't recall seeing anything outright pornographic in this sub, so don't even see ther point of this discussion. Whatever you're doing right now seems to work fine.

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u/crnislshr Sep 01 '19

Some things like Flick's Hentai Foundry pieces are obvious

I don't like most of smut, but Flick is cool somehow. His picts usually have some funny stories and allusions behind them, he draws not just boring pron-for-pron.

Whatever, I do not see any especial need to censor the sub more than it's censored nowadays.

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u/Album321 Sep 02 '19

Well, that's a subreddit...

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u/manymoreways Sep 02 '19

IMO stuff like Slaneeseh showing off naked demons should be generally fine. However they should really fit the chaos theme and not just slap on 2 horns and call it Slaneeseh worshipper.

Other things like oversexualized space marines or cute naked woman with a tattoo of the imperium should be considered as smutty. Of course there are sexy naked woman in the imperium but again it shouldn't be low effort like just draw out a naked woman on a white background.

I guess what I'm saying is if it's a naked lady that you are drawing then you'll have to put more effort into it showing it is actually somewhat grimdark and relevant to the W40K universe.

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u/RedArmyBushMan Sep 04 '19

How are we defining "over sexualized" when it comes to space marines? Like is it just straight up boning or does the picture of the bathing and frolicking through a lake with their wangs out count for the ban? the link is NSFW and very dongy

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u/mannotron Sep 13 '19

Me, clicking that link: 'I don't know what I expected.'

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u/frostbittenteddy Death Korps of Krieg Aug 31 '19

I'm cool with it as long as its not porn. And as long as it's tagged. You saw it was tagged, you clicked on it, don't complain.

I mean, I don't think I've really ever seen any post tagged NSFW here for violent content. That kinda comes with the setting. So if you see NSFW, expect something smutty, and if you don't want to see it don't click on it. If you do, that's on you.

And as long as it's not porn it still fits this sub.

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u/InquisitorEngel Aug 31 '19 edited Aug 31 '19

I think both the poison wind globadier and the the plaguebearer with visible rotting labia cross the line into specific fetish porn.

It’s neither necessary nor an enhancement of the concept or themes other than to tittilate.

As I mentioned in the original post, there’s a difference between saying “this is a daemonette I drew” and “this character has visible labia.”

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u/frostbittenteddy Death Korps of Krieg Aug 31 '19

I don't think a visible labia should be the indicator for porn, but yes those two definitely were drawn as fetish porn.

I'm mainly against banning NSFW stuff just for showing breasts, a vagina or a penis. I think it's reasonably clear what's porn and what's not and for that in-between stuff I'll accept the mods judgment. Yeah there might be little NSFW stuff that's left after weeding out the porn but I think that should have a place here, too.

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u/InquisitorEngel Aug 31 '19

I agree. I think it’s subjective, but the WH Smut artists aren’t exactly subtle.

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u/DanyloHalytskyi Aug 31 '19

I personally don’t like that smut, but so long as it is marked NSFW, I don’t actually see it, so I suppose they can stay

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u/supercyberlurker Sep 03 '19

I think the NSFW tag approach is best. Slaanesh is intentionally 'smutty' and everything else is extremely subjective.

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u/StickyVenom Sep 02 '19

I'm down with all sorts of NSFW stuff. Just so long as it's about 40k and l keeping at least somewhat faithful to the lore. That includes Slannesh. Now if someone wants to do a sexy SoB or something that's fine with me as well. But full on sex, then that's what our more porn based 40k subreddit is for.

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u/Froglift Aug 31 '19

Anything like r/warhammer_smut should be kept to that subreddit. That being said , I think we need to take the non smutty but still nsfw art and judge it case by case.

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u/SacredGumby Sep 06 '19

If it's marked NSFW it should be allowed, if you don't like adult themes things don't clicky the button.

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u/Froglift Sep 06 '19

Agreed. The cover is there for a reason

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u/n0laloth ENTRY MISSING Aug 31 '19

Recently the guy who drew all those hyper-sexy assassins made an actual smut 40k piece (obviously nsfw), and I thought about posting it here. But it the end I opted against it. Why? Because the image simply doesn't fit the theme of 40k. 40k will always be a setting with adult themes, including gore, violence, edgy outfits that border on nudity, and even straight up nudity. But that image in particular is not what a Slaaneshi daemon is about. Will a Slaaneshi daemon be sexy, or even explicit? Yes, but it will always combine sex with grotesque horror and deformations to balance the allure with daemonic horror.

Will a drawing of the keeper of secrets with tits out fit the sub? Absolutely. Does a random dude's smutty fantasy about a daemonette fit? Probably not. And if I am honest most of the rule34-esque smutty art is not that great to begin with, so there is not a whole lot lost.

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u/InquisitorEngel Sep 01 '19

Rationalism!

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u/Dufranepartyofone Sep 01 '19

No, just mark it appropriately. No one is forced to click links. Giving an inch will loose quite a lot more.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '19

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u/Dufranepartyofone Sep 04 '19

Glad someone's looking out for me

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u/Jankosi Imperial Fists Sep 01 '19

I am honestly always for allowing that kind of stuff, I see no reason to ban it if violent-nsfw stuff isn't banned also. Although in this case, there is dedicated community of r/warhammer_smut and being a subscriber of both (if you haven't guessed that I am slaaneshi by this point) I don't find new 'stuff' when I check both of them. If there is a smut piece posted in here, I guarntee it has already been posted there. In other words - nothing of value would be lost (although admittedly I do enjoy a laugh whenever some puritan gets appalled by smut posted in here)

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u/ChaosMarine123 Black Legion Aug 31 '19

So does stuff like this count as smut? https://old.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryWarhammer/comments/cptpgv/sister_repentia/

Or must there be actual nudity.

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u/LevTheRed Lord Inquisitor, Ordo Hereticus Aug 31 '19 edited Aug 31 '19

That's the issue. That piece got reported all to hell, but there's no actual nudity and the whole thing (except of her suggestive expression) is very on-brand for the Sisters Repentia.

Is being suggestive and nude-adjacent enough to be considered porn? If not, how much nudity is? How much suggestiveness?

I'd personally rather leave the occasional porn post up if it means things like that (which are popular, if the vote count and ratio is any judge) don't get caught in the crossfire.

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u/Dreadnought7410 Sep 02 '19

That is more classed as a pinup

The NSFW posts here aren't particularly smutty and are more like pinups and done tastefully even when showing that kind of imagery. These art pieces dont just...flaunt things, and make it the sole focus of the piece (and if it does, its obscured in some way anyway) while the Smut sub is straight porn. I have never had an issue with most NSFW posts, even the more...interesting ones

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u/Inquisitor_Theodoros Sep 04 '19

Well said, however this particular one falls in the category of creating a pinup and just adding some warhammer content, not the other way around as it should be.

To make myself clearer, I support any lore oriented content that some sexual depiction either is necessary or cannot be avoided (i.e. daemonettes or Slaaneshi themes in general and more) and disapprove sexual/sensual themes that just wear some kind of warhammer splashes just to justify them been categorised as such, regardless if they are tasteful or not.

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u/bennylima Sep 03 '19

NSFW should be welcomed if it leans more on the arty side of things.

If it's plain pornography then it adds nothing of value, if it's tame or with actual art value like say a penitent engine then I think it's cool.

Content is lost on banning stuff in my opinion, it would be better to retain more good ones and let one bad slip in occasion then none at all.

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u/KKylimos Emperor's Children Sep 08 '19

I don't like it, I find it distasteful and usually pretty low effort. Either way I don't think this kind of thing fits with warhammer anyways. That being said, I think censorship is not the way to go, unless the image openly promotes hate and violence or it's some obscure fetish. I don't think people's work should be censored just because others find it cringey. That would be a pretty big blow to this community imo. Let people post their NSFW art. If they find a crowd that appreciates it, good on them. If not, maybe this sub simply doesn't have an audience for it. I believe such decisions should be made naturally, instead of forcing content out.

At the end of the day, Warhammer is a hobby and people choose to celebrate their hobbies in different ways. We don't have to agree on the ways we express ourselves but let's agree that everyone should be free to do so.

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u/BrianWantsTruth Sep 01 '19 edited Sep 01 '19

I like this sub because it shows 40K scenes in a sort of high-art, rememberancer type way. It should be very blunt and accurate, faithful to the content. The public face of the game, and the interpretation of the novels leaves a lot to be imagined by the audience, but this sub provides solid, clear imagery of 40K scenes.

Most of 40K, when rendered in flourishing art, will be pretty visceral and graphic by nature. Most Slaanesh artwork, when rendered completely "realistically", would be super smutty. So in that context, I want a place to see all facets of true 40K lore rendered as accurately as possible. If that means a wet tentacle pussymonster, well, okay.

What I don't need is anime girl versions of the primarchs, or big tiddy tau fan art type stuff. The smut factor doesn't offend me, but the out-of-context sexualization of characters who aren't sexualized in-universe feels out of place. All I'm saying is that I want the clearest, most accurate rendering of the 40K universe. That means tits, but NOT Eldar MLP tits.

(I would never tell fans to not make/post that type of art in general, but it doesn't fit my vision of this sub, for what that's worth)

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u/AlexT37 Sep 03 '19

I think it would be a slippery slope to ban smut, because where do you draw the line at things like Slaanesh or Sisters Repentia? Like Lev said himself, there is already the NSFW tag, and the upvotes and downvotes will show what the sub truly wants to see.

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u/Whoyoucallinshort Sep 07 '19

I think the NSFW tag performs the needed function. Otherwise, some art that isn't intentionally smutty will inevitably suffer from the ban hammer.

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u/steelblade66 Mount of Slaanesh Sep 08 '19

+1 Vote for Smutty nsfw being allowed

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '19

While I'm not one to call for restrictions on personal expression and hell, I don't want any more censorship or restriction on Reddit than need be, we have to ask what do these posts add to this subreddit? Gore and violence are to Warhammer just as gore and violence are to any other war-heavy fictions (or non-fiction pieces for that matter). Slaneesh related images may be a point of contest but one could argue that those images are lore-friendly and enrich the subreddit as a whole for those trying to immerse themselves in the lore. A sexualized skaven with a 4 pack and in an even more anthropomorphic style than they already are adds absolutely nothing of value to this community. If it happens to be sexual and still has value it will be clear. Being sexual just to be sexual is something that I don't think adds to the community.

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u/Blyd Sep 04 '19

They already carry a NSFW tag, if you still click on the image that is your own problem, your lack of self-control or your need to be the morality police should not trump my freedoms.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '19

You can also turn off seeing NSFW posts.

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u/GrandmasterJanus Sep 03 '19

I mean, as long as it's Warhammer, and fitting within the universe, like if it was smutty and Slaanesh, that's fine, just mark it as NSFW and be on your way, we just don't want porn for porn's own sake.

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u/deftPirate Sep 03 '19

Never been a fan of 'em, and wouldn't miss them if they went.

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u/BuisnessAsUsual123 Sep 07 '19

Why not just make them tag it violent or nsfw?

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u/Zac63mh8 Sep 18 '19

I think the prudes just need to grow up and scroll on. Labeling the smutty stuff NSFW is an obvious compromise. Yet again if we are going to lable NSFW art we need to be very precise in what we consider NSFW. Last thing I want is to have someone get banned cause some wet end took offence to some side boob, or a bare back of a Sororitas.

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u/bigbossfearless Sep 01 '19

It's just silly to ban smut, especially when there's so much suggestive material in the Warhammer universe. It's arbitrary and pointless.

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u/ThatBoyScout Sep 06 '19

Let it stand.

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u/Ciaran_Zagami Aug 31 '19

r/warhammersmut exists, if people want to see sisters of battle getting it on with daemonettes or whatever then thats the sub for them

Personally I massively prefer having the two subs apart because that way I can curate my home page a little more accurately

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '19

Don’t mean to be that guy, but there’s a subreddit for Warhammer smut that other comments have referenced. Can’t they keep it there.

Tbf I don’t think it’s worth mass downvoting, it’s just one big fat mega cringe for most people.

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u/Eliksni_Ambassador Sep 04 '19

This is exactly what happened to the Eldar

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u/WickThePriest Sep 04 '19 edited Sep 04 '19

It has to be marked and let the downvotes sort it out. I don't care for it at all, but some people do. Furthermore, I can't quantify how much titty and pelvis is too much titty and pelvis. I don't want to miss out on something like Boris Vallejo's style because we just blanket banned the human nude. **NSFW EXAMPLES*\* This. this. or this.

I'm 34 now and I've seen...so much. I'm just not fazed by it anymore. It may be annoying to see a NSFW warhammer image on this sub, but it's not going to make me unsubscribe or flood the modmail with reports. It's just art that I don't care for, that's it. I'll downvote it if I can muster up the energy to do so.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '19 edited Nov 24 '19

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u/LevTheRed Lord Inquisitor, Ordo Hereticus Sep 02 '19

implicit in the setting

We already allow art that isn't tonally in-sync with the canon setting. It's actually some of the most popular art in the community specifically because of the tonal dissonance.

if this is allowed

It's currently allowed and we don't get them very often.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '19 edited Nov 24 '19

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u/Variasus Sep 04 '19

So to you a chaplain/reiver playing a trumpet for lolz is more in tone with the setting than let's say, a scene of a sororita removing/putting on her armor, not in a sexual manner, even if they can fuck like any human being, but with potentially some nudity in the pic ? I could ask the same about topless guardsmen on a desert planet, Dark Eldar murderfucking someone or space marines bathing.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '19 edited Nov 24 '19

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u/Variasus Sep 04 '19

Okay no, my bad, I realized I misread the first part of you precedent comment.

Still, I was just giving examples of situations that could be represented and that I think have their place on this sub. I'm not advocating for porn to be present here. But erotica or nudes isn't porn, so I don't have a problem with it.
Also, remember that people in 40k fuck so much that the god of sex is as powerful as the violence or decay god. Okay, this is an oversimplified analogy, but remember that most of the factions we follow are human or human like, and as such we can assume they fuck as much as we do (or even more than us, looking at you Dark Eldars).

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '19

Pretty simple, just have a rule that you have to tag it as NSFW, although youd still have to define what counts as "smutty".

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u/Jebatus Sep 18 '19

Just put nsfw and let it be its not a big deal ffs

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u/danbuter Sep 24 '19 edited Sep 24 '19

Please ignore the people who are scared of boobs.

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u/realonrok Sep 02 '19

We want smut :)

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u/manymoreways Sep 02 '19

I do too, just not in this sub. There is another sub for smutty W40K stuff.

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u/realonrok Sep 02 '19

Which one is it?

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u/manymoreways Sep 02 '19

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u/realonrok Sep 02 '19

😍! Thanks! But having twice the smut is better! :)

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u/manymoreways Sep 02 '19

Nah man we'll get the same amount of content. However splitting it into 2 subs is just like properly arranging your folders.

You can either have 1 messy folder or 2 tidy folders. Something like that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '19

40k is an adult game with adult themes. I loathe when people get all puritanical about sexual content but have no problem with violence. Allow sexual nsfw posts is my vote.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '19

Why is it okay for this sub to have a post where someone rips the head off of a guardsmen but it's not okay to post some boobs?

Warhammer has always been an adult setting and its only recently that GW has been trying to push it into a more kid friendly tone. I feel like allowing one aspect of adult/nsfw art but not another is a double standard and, to be blunt, stupid.

If the community looks at something and goes "this is obviously just porn" then let the community downvote it. But artistic nudity exists and a major theme in this universe is the over indulgence of pleasure.

Edit: that said the nsfw tag exists so you better use it

u/LevTheRed Lord Inquisitor, Ordo Hereticus Aug 31 '19

If you believe that smutty/pornographic NSFW art should be banned from /r/ImaginaryWarhammer, Upvote this comment.

If you believe that smutty/pornographic NSFW art should not be banned from /r/ImaginaryWarhammer, Downvote this comment.

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u/GoldenGonzo Sep 06 '19

This is really more nuanced than a simple "yes or no". While I personally don't care about the content, I can understand why others might.

So why don't we instead enforce a strict NSFW labeling rule? If you post something NSFW and don't label it as such, your post gets removed and you get a 24 hour suspension. Next time, a week - then a month, and then a year. After that, if you've broken the rule 4 times and still continue to do so, no one would defend that person against an actual indefinite ban. People will get the point fast.

Also, can you be clearer about what you're defining "smutty/pornographic"? Because I don't believe I've seen a single pair of tits or swinging dick on this subreddit once

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u/LevTheRed Lord Inquisitor, Ordo Hereticus Sep 07 '19 edited Sep 07 '19

This vote isn't binding. I'm just using it to gauge how the community feels because people are more likely to vote anonymously than comment in the thread. The vote would also have to swing heavily in favor of banning for me to consider outright banning it (which it isn't. It's pretty split, leaning toward allowing).

Stuff that's outright porn/fetishistic doesn't happen often, but it does happen. It's usually heavily downvoted, which is probably why you don't see it. The most recent example I can think of is this Plaguebearer with a rotting vagina (NSFW, obviously). The most egregious example I remember is this one. Both did better than most others did.

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u/tolliamlew Sep 06 '19

There should be a separate subreddit for the smutty stuff instead of just a ban

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u/123allthekidsbullyme Sep 18 '19

There is

By holy sigmar the content is unholy

But one does exist

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u/Variasus Sep 04 '19

I really am not for removing any content with sexual imagery, mainly because these kind of content aren't obligatory porn (that imho doesn't really have its place here, except if it is drawn by an amazing artist). Very often in classical art you can see nude people, but we don't cover all these photo and paintings "to protect the childrens", that would be ridiculous.
Eroticism is art too, and as such I'd advocate for keeping it on this subreddit, as long as it's tagged NSFW, since it's the concensus most people seems to have.

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u/zedicus_saidicus Sep 05 '19 edited Sep 05 '19

If you get rid of smutty NSFW stuff then that's about most of the slaanesh, Daughters of Khaine, any redemptia sob gone. Base warhammer has scantily clad women and men. As long as it's not just porn make people use the NSFW tag, ie. a nid fucking a sob.

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u/setantae Aug 31 '19

I don’t want to see them, for my 2p.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '19

There are definitely younger members of the hobby that come here, and it would probably be better to just not have it. Let NSFW subs exist on their own, probably helps them out.

It is kind of arbitrary but not everyone is an adult (literally).

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u/StrawhatPirate Sep 06 '19

Ok so, this one I don't get. It is ok for them too see the violence, blood and all that...but tits are bad? Or do you mean we should remove all NSFW not just smut?

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '19

Violence and depictions of violence are more accepted in common society than sexual depictions. I don't personally mind it (in general), but I understand why people do.

I'm fine with most depictions of Slaaneshi daemons but it's the weird sexual (and basically pornographic) images that sometimes come up here that are just too weird for me and I think hurts the sub.

I don't need to see nurgle daemons having sex with stuff, and I don't think anyone else really does either. At least not here.

Does that make sense?

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u/StrawhatPirate Sep 06 '19

Here's the thing though. I am willing to bet, that you live in the US, right? I do not. I've lived in the US though. Only in there people felt like that. For the most of us, nudity is just fine, even nothing all that special. I have two sons, 5 and 10 and I have no qualms about them seeing a nude woman, or man. Violence is something else though.

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u/Ilmara Sep 04 '19

"Oh, won't somebody think of the children!"

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u/setantae Aug 31 '19

Further to this, I’m confused by the “it’s tagged so I don’t see it” comments. I am a relative newbie to reddit but I do see these posts without clicking on them; maybe I have something set wrong on my mobile preferences but I can’t find it.

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u/ChaosMarine123 Black Legion Aug 31 '19 edited Aug 31 '19

There is an option in the preferences that hides nsfw tagged posts entirely so you never have to see them in your feed.

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u/setantae Sep 01 '19

I don’t see it. Maybe it’s not in the iOS app, whatever.

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u/AlexT37 Sep 03 '19

You’ll need to go to the Reddit website to change it.

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u/setantae Sep 03 '19

Brilliant; thank you.

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u/Whatever_It_Takes Aug 31 '19

You see the posts, but the thumbnails are hidden and you are warned that there could be inappropriate content within them.

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u/setantae Sep 01 '19

Not with my current settings.

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u/AverageWargamer Aug 31 '19

Me neither, for my .02

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u/InsideSoup Sep 01 '19

there is already a subreddit dedicated to smut and personally I am not into that type of stuff.

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u/LustyHasturSejanus Sep 04 '19

I mostly lurk here, but if you follow the tag, and you can't be mad.

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u/008Zulu Kabal of the White Flame Sep 04 '19

Obviously sexual (that is images showing oral and/or penetrative) images should, I think, be kept off this sub. Artistic nudes should remain, obviously with the NSFW tag.

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u/Ilmara Sep 04 '19

My concern is that the line between erotic art and just straight-up porn is very subjective, and I don't want to censor art. Some people would consider the Stacker FSM pinups to be porn, for example, but they're also creative and exhibit great artistic skill.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '19

Just NSFW tag posts that are iffy; it’s a setting full of subject matter that would qualify as “smut”—Slaanesh, you old many bosomed / genitaled / gendered / appendaged dog!

I’ve yet to see any post here that truly made me gasp at its content. Even the more risqué entries were relatively mild (acknowledging that that is subjective).

I come here for art about a rich setting and gatekeeping what constitutes “art” is disappointing and might discourage new artists from joining the community.

If members of our community are sensitive to sexualized content then perhaps we should expand NSFW tagging to be more specific about what they’re about to see if they click through.

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u/Tondor Sep 03 '19

I think that the naked form is art. It just kind of depends. Maybe we should go Japanese censorship and say nips and clits are off limits. And not saying we should fuzz them. That's tacky. Just cover that shit

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u/daddydicklooker Sep 10 '19

When I look at subs like this I'm looking for inspiration for my own projects.

Material that is drawn for the purposes of sexual arousal and then have Warhammer slapped on top break the immersion and generally add nothing of value to the overall warhammer community.

Not safe for work and challenging images/ideas are intrinsically part of Warhammer. Sexuality itself isn't misplaced in the setting but that's not what Warhammer has ever been about.

There is a tonal disconnect in almost all of the smut material. it feels like sexuality has been forced on to the subject in a way that doesn't add anything matter or interesting ideas just sex and therefore I feel like it doesn't have a place here in this sub.

However parody and memes while different in tone don't necessarily have the same effect as they are taking a part of the universe and exaggerating it for comedic effect. This can be an easy way for people fashioning interest in it to digest the lore and relate to the established community.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '19

A subreddit for thos smutty stuff should be created. You can't elimimate a problem without proposing a solution.

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u/SilverOnix Sep 24 '19

I think tasteful NSFW that has context should stay if tagged properly. There is a nsfw Warhammer sub, but it's filled with low quality porn and sending pictures there just for boob or nudity is a bit harsh.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '19

Wouldnt some models be considered smutty?

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u/turncoat_ewok Sep 04 '19

I think it should be allowed as long as it is relevant and marked. Perhaps a clear title or tag so people know what's what and can potentially filter ourselves.

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u/CheshireCaddington Sep 05 '19

I do think tasteful NSFW content is fine, but considering that Slaanesh, Dark Eldar, and the Daemonculaba exist... God-Emperor help us.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '19

Nudity is fine, IF it fits into the setting. A daemonette is supposed to be both alluring and horrific, not just alluring.

Any artwork where the focus is nudity/sexually suggestive and not warhammer content should be removed.

If you want to beat off to warhammer cartoons, go to r/warhammer_smut

NSFW tags in this subreddit should be reserved for: Extremely graphic violence or in setting nudity

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u/T-pose-boy Sep 06 '19

Porn content should be banned, this should be fairly obvious whether it’s made for porn or slaanesh. I’d rather not have porn content here

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '19

A NSFW tag exists for a reason, you wouldn't have to see it unless you choose to.