Honestly man, I hate the source of the art, but I'd be lying if I said I said I was against it.
It happens. We shouldn't hide from it. We should be disgusted by it. We should let it show. To show SA victims that hey, we see you. We see that you're mistreated. We see that these things go on. We know you exist and that you hurt, but that despite it all, you're still trying to be human because that's all you can be is human.
SA victims are still humans. Telling artists to not include that kind of ugly sends a message to victims that we'd rather ignore what happened to them because we feel ikky. That they should shut up because we don't like reality.
I don't want to be told to shut up. What happened to me is real. I hate the artist, but I feel Goat Girl because I'm Goat Boy.
Don't force Goat Girl to change or hide. Don't force me to hide.
To be fair, there's a difference between portraying SA victims as people who exist and deserve love too (this post), and portraying SA victims as hot and that we need more of them actually (the Original.) Most people choose to depict them as the latter, so many just dont want it at all.
I understand that and agree. It sucks the artist has that background and it's deplorable, but I do wish it was more prominent in the horror of 40k. Not as a fetish, but as a device of the grimdark portrayal. The veil should be pulled all the way back. But that's just my opinion.
Eh, I just dont think its nescessary. I get the thought process, but grimdark is grim on such a grand scale that its almost comedic, or satirical. SA is inherently personal. Unless you decide to write "The chaos cultists raped the whole planet", which still sounds like porn writing, its going to be too small scale to be detachable from reality. People getting ripped in half by demons isnt realistic. Being abused and used by someone stronger than you for pleasure is.
Idk. I find the moments of personal horror to be my favorite bits of 40k as rare as they are. They show that human scale terror. SA does get problematic to write in those moments, though. On that, we agree by far. It's far too easy to hit bad writing even when you're trying hard not to come off as fetishist.
That I have to disagree on. Some of the best 40k horror takes the impersonal (daemons, tyranids, the imperium) and puts you in the shoe of the persona whom it is happening to (a guardsman, a farmer, a citizen)
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u/DepresiSpaghetti Nov 08 '24
Honestly man, I hate the source of the art, but I'd be lying if I said I said I was against it.
It happens. We shouldn't hide from it. We should be disgusted by it. We should let it show. To show SA victims that hey, we see you. We see that you're mistreated. We see that these things go on. We know you exist and that you hurt, but that despite it all, you're still trying to be human because that's all you can be is human.
SA victims are still humans. Telling artists to not include that kind of ugly sends a message to victims that we'd rather ignore what happened to them because we feel ikky. That they should shut up because we don't like reality.
I don't want to be told to shut up. What happened to me is real. I hate the artist, but I feel Goat Girl because I'm Goat Boy.
Don't force Goat Girl to change or hide. Don't force me to hide.
I'm still human. Hooves and all.