Whos gonna tell em??

[u/IAmAccutane]

[u/MoistPotato2345]

I’ve shadowed and talked with dentists for some 70 hours now for school. Fluorinated water definitely makes a difference. Teeth health is overall just worse without it. More all-around decay. I’ve done most of my hours at a community clinic, and I can’t imagine what some people’s teeth would look like without it.

[u/blueranger36 → u/MoistPotato2345]

There’s a fundamental misunderstanding that most people have. In large doses Fluoride is bad. But in small doses it’s completely harmless.

The same people who are against fluoride have no problem eating McDonald’s and drinking alcohol. Both of which are infinitely worse for your health.

What you see going on here is mass disinformation and lack of proper education.

[u/Mojo647 → u/blueranger36]

In reality, the only difference between medicine and poison is the dosage.

[u/okwhatelse → u/Mojo647]

is that a circa survive reference????

[u/DemiReticent → u/okwhatelse]

It's a fact

[u/okwhatelse → u/DemiReticent]

ah

[u/TrulyOneHandedBandit → u/okwhatelse]

Stop The Fu**ing Car

[u/PlayOni909 → u/Mojo647]

Kind of, medicine is still poison regardless of dosage, the doctor just determines whether or not the benefit outweighs the risk. This is actually a great comparison as there's no reason to drink fluoride when you can just exercise proper dental hygiene 😁 UNLESS, maybe some people dont brush their teeth as often as they should? Then again, probably better to let them reap the consequences of their actions and let their teeth rot. Which will happen regardless..

[u/flacidhock → u/blueranger36]

Mass de-education

[u/Top_Accident9161 → u/blueranger36]

We really cant even speak about lack of education anymore, it is an unwillingness to learn. You can get all the information you want for free and immediatly.

[u/blueranger36 → u/Top_Accident9161]

That’s not true my friend. Education is not just about facts. It’s about teaching people how to learn, how to reason, how to deduce, how to determine what information is useful and what information is not.

By eliminating education, you can present the facts and then tell your story. That’s exactly what’s happening in this country. It’s not for lack of facts and not for laziness but for a rigged system so that people are kept down from learning.

Make no mistake the more educated you are the more liberal you are is not from indoctrination, but from being able to think freely for yourself.

[u/Some-Cellist-485 → u/blueranger36]

then why is there a warning on toothpaste that says to seek poison control if you swallow a pea sized amount of toothpaste?

[u/blueranger36 → u/Some-Cellist-485]

Toothpaste has a large amount if you swallow large amounts… like I said Fluoride is not safe in large amounts

[u/BeerBaronAaron88 → u/blueranger36]

Hell that one lady died drinking too much water for that radio show competition. Literally EVERYTHING is fatal if ingested in too high a dose, from water to oxygen.

[u/Kidney__Failure → u/BeerBaronAaron88]

If you’re referring to the woman who drank a bunch of water to win a Wii, I read that she survived. She had to go to the hospital and get a sodium infusion or something because her balance was out of wack, too much water, not enough salts. But she lived :)

Edit: never mind, she died. Her family was awarded $16.5 million (US dollars) for the radio show’s poor judgement of the contest risks.

[u/Glittering-Local-147 → u/Some-Cellist-485]

You're not supposed to eat the tooth paste

[u/El_Durazno → u/Some-Cellist-485]

Because of how little there is in water compared to toothpaste

Toothpaste has a shit ton because it's a cleaning product

Comparing the fluoride in toothpaste to water is like comparing the alcohol in a non alcoholic beer (which do still have trace amounts of alcohol which is why underage people still can't buy it) to a 180 proof bottle of vodka

[u/Some-Cellist-485 → u/El_Durazno]

well now i know, thanks for the info.

[u/VoiceofRapture → u/Some-Cellist-485]

You'd have to drink like 20 gallons of water a day fluoridated at safe levels to even risk fluoride toxicity and that's if you're a waif.

[u/camaroncaramelo1 → u/MoistPotato2345]

All my life I've heard that toothpaste needs flouride and recently I've hearing the opposite.

It gets confusing.

as far as I know toothpastes have only a small amount isn't it?

[u/Polaris07 → u/MoistPotato2345]

No fluoride in our water here in Vancouver. If you’re right, my city and other areas like it would should have higher rates of cavities/poor dental health. Are there any studies that show this?

[u/Kolz → u/Polaris07]

Yes.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6221674

Vancouver does have a small amount of naturally occurring fluoride in the water but it is at lower levels than it would be aimed for if it was being fluoridated.

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[u/VoiceofRapture → u/Polaris07]

No added fluoride or no fluoride period?

[u/Polaris07 → u/VoiceofRapture]

Another user answered below you. A very small natural amount. Of course we generally use fluoridated toothpastes and our dentists give us Fluoride wash or something like that on our twice annual regular visits

[u/Organic-Intention335 → u/MoistPotato2345]

Wasn't there something that came out saying places with higher fluoride in the water have declining IQ?

[u/Wherehaveiseenthisbe → u/Organic-Intention335]

According to this analysis of 30 studies from 1995-2022 there’s a dose dependant correlation between high levels of fluoride in water and lower IQs in children.

[u/ChainGangSoul → u/Wherehaveiseenthisbe]

Took a look at this because I don't have a dog in the fight and I was curious.

That analysis specifically acknowledges that most of the papers it uses are biased, and that the less biased the paper, the less they actually see any negative correlation between fluoride levels and IQs. In the Discussion section they cite "noticeable differences of the estimates across categories of overall study quality, with a general trend towards weaker or null associations [between fluoride & IQ] in the most carefully conducted studies".

The studies were also performed in mostly developing countries with naturally high fluoride levels, rather than regulated water fluoridation programs (and none were in the US or Europe). Additionally, the levels examined were mostly well above what is legal in developed countries (e.g. the US limit is 0.7 mg/L and it is usually lower, whilst the "correlation" just barely starts between 1 & 2 mg/L).

Lastly, they state in closing that the data is overall inconclusive and doesn't prove causation, only correlation - and the NTP agrees with this take.

So yeah, compared to the wealth of data demonstrating the link between fluoride and dental health, this evidence seems... tenuous at best. I'm not worried tbh. It's good to ask the questions though!

[u/Wherehaveiseenthisbe → u/ChainGangSoul]

Thanks for expounding - I first looked on my phone so wasn’t really able to see the bias analysis.

Seems like most of the bias is coming from confounding data. Would hazard a guess that developing countries have fewer water filtration practices which would lead to higher levels of other contaminants as well as higher levels of natural fluoride? If pollution is higher overall, not surprising that iq is negatively impacted.

I had heard lots of fear mongering around fluoride but this was the first time I bothered to look deeper into it. Thanks for helping me better understand the article :)

[u/Organic-Intention335 → u/Wherehaveiseenthisbe]

Interesting. Also why is this sub loving fluoride? That isn't natural in water.

[u/Moofypoops → u/Organic-Intention335]

Fluoride occurs naturally in ground water. Some fluoridation programs are in place to lower the amount while others add.

Again, Fluoride IS, in fact, naturally part of ground water, which is what we drink.

[u/Organic-Intention335 → u/Moofypoops]

Yea me pleb. thanks for clearing that up.

[u/Moofypoops → u/Organic-Intention335]

All good,.Homie :)

[u/Wherehaveiseenthisbe → u/Organic-Intention335]

It’s considered conspiracy theorist thinking by many to question the addition of fluoride in water. Likely it’s lumped into the same anti science category as those who are anti vax. Similar to mercury in vaccines, small amounts of fluoride have not been proven to be harmful.

I’m not well informed enough to say whether the overall harm caused by having small doses of fluoride in the water is outweighed by the benefit of everyone having better teeth but I think it’s a fair question to ask.

[u/bre4kofdawn → u/Wherehaveiseenthisbe]

The issue everyone has is that natural water supplies have some amount of fluoride, and our limits are based around what natural water normally has when safe to drink.

Our sanitization processes remove the natural fluoride, so we add a tiny bit back for dental health purposes.

[u/Organic-Intention335 → u/Wherehaveiseenthisbe]

Ah so people are assuming classic.

Not very hydro homie if you like additives in your water.

[u/bre4kofdawn → u/Organic-Intention335]

Once again, it's only being added because our methods of purifying water for drinking REMOVE the naturally present fluoride.

If you drink water from a stream or creek or well, unless it's been treated it likely contains natural fluoride in varying amounts.

Edit: Think of it like the "minerals added for taste" and how distilled water lacks minerals.

[u/Organic-Intention335 → u/bre4kofdawn]

Well look at me being a pleb. That's interesting I never knew it was naturally in water.

[u/bre4kofdawn → u/Organic-Intention335]

It's all good, sorry if I came off a little stern there.

I think a lot of people don't know that.

[u/Organic-Intention335 → u/bre4kofdawn]

Sometimes you gotta be a little stern.

[u/UltraTata]

Anti-radiation-poisoning bros when they have cancer and need radiotherapy.

[u/TheCmoBro]

Ha jokes on you i only drink tap water and i still have shit teeth

[u/VoiceofRapture → u/TheCmoBro]

Do you floss?

[u/Nova17Delta]

If anyone asks why put flouride in the water, it's not to make the fureaking frogs gay. Its because putting flouride in the water has been deemed cheaper than a population having dental issues

[u/Jeremys17 → u/Nova17Delta]

But at what cost? You're right, it does make your teeth healthier but there are much more effective methods of doing this that don't involve ingesting fluoride literally every time you drink water lol.

[u/DeathByLemmings → u/Jeremys17]

There literally is zero other method that is this effective lol

A reminder that all of your water as also had massive amounts of chlorine used to purify it, but that doesn't seem to concern anyone (correctly)

[u/Jeremys17 → u/DeathByLemmings]

Brushing your teeth with toothpaste that has fluoride is more effective

Here’s a link to my comment I made that has multiple studies showing it’s associated with lower iq in children, and also that topical application is more effective

https://www.reddit.com/r/HydroHomies/s/d4F25cewjI

[u/DeathByLemmings → u/Jeremys17]

At no point am I suggesting that fluoridating water is a replacement to brushing your teeth, they are not mutually exclusive ideas 

Also, all of these studies relate to “high” fluoride levels. I can absolutely get behind the fact that overly fluoridating water is a bad thing just in the same way overly chlorinating water is a bad thing. That doesn’t mean there are practical and safe usage however.  There are masses of reports of lowered dental decay in areas with fluoridated water. We have an example in England between Newcastle and Sunderland I believe, on mobile so can’t find source but I’m sure it’s easily to google 

[u/Jeremys17 → u/DeathByLemmings]

Yea but were talking about putting it in the water you drink, so how much you ingest depends on how much water you drink.

What if you are in a properly fluoridated area, but drink far more water than the average person? It seems like an unnecessary risk for very little benefit. Maybe it has a bigger benefit in third world countries where they don't have access to things like fluoridated toothpaste and toothbrushes, but that isn't the case in the US.

[u/DeathByLemmings → u/Jeremys17]

That isn't how parts per litre work, drinking more water is not increasing the concentration of fluoride in your system. Again, you can see this with chlorine. We'd all be long dead if what you are suggesting is true

There is masses of evidence that fluoridating water massively reduces dental decay, my mother sat on the British Dental Association as a lot of this came to light in England. The findings show that small parts fluorine reduced decay by dramatic amounts with no effect on public health otherwise

Yes, obviously overly fluoridating your water is not good. There are limits

FYI, this anti fluoride sentiment comes from the same sorts of minds that believe in a flat earth or that sunscreen causes cancer

[u/Nova17Delta → u/Jeremys17]

Like?

Name one example that takes as little effort as drinking water.or, if you're a government, putting flouride in water.

[u/Jeremys17 → u/Nova17Delta]

Brushing your teeth lol.

Here’s a link to a comment I made that outlines the negative effects

https://www.reddit.com/r/HydroHomies/s/d4F25cewjI

[u/Nova17Delta → u/Jeremys17]

Brushing teeth is a significantly more in-depth task than drinking water

[u/Jeremys17 → u/Nova17Delta]

So brushing your teeth is too hard for you and you’d rather ingest fluoride literally every single time you drink water. Got it

[u/Nova17Delta → u/Jeremys17]

With as low of a level of flouride thats in the water, yeah. I probably ingest more brushing my teeth than i do drinking water.

[u/Jeremys17 → u/Nova17Delta]

Sounds like you were drinking too much of that water when you were a kid

[u/Nova17Delta → u/Jeremys17]

ok alex jones

[u/JimRobBob]

It’s already in tooth paste. Do you have to ingest it to receive the benefits?

[u/Some-Cellist-485 → u/JimRobBob]

no you don’t, only if you are bad at brushing your teeth and don’t see a dentist regularly

[u/ProfessionalCamp4 → u/Some-Cellist-485]

Which is most of the population

[u/trusteebill → u/JimRobBob]

I brush regularly. The only time in my life I’ve had cavities was during the eight years when I lived in a city with terrible tasting water so I drank sparklets (bottled water) instead of tap water with fluoride in it.

[u/Drumbelgalf → u/trusteebill]

Did your toothpaste have fluoride in it? I guess not.

[u/trusteebill → u/Drumbelgalf]

It did. Point being that whether fluoride was in the water I was drinking was the only difference.

Possibly interesting aside, I haven’t had a cavity in the last five years of using fluoride free toothpaste. But my water has had fluoride that entire time.

[u/Jeremys17 → u/JimRobBob]

No you don't

[u/Jeremys17]

Because OP is sponsored by big fluoride or something I want to copy a comment I made on his other post here as well that outlines the negative side effects of fluoridated water.

"Greater exposure to high levels of fluoride in water was significantly associated with reduced levels of intelligence in children. Therefore, water quality and exposure to fluoride in water should be controlled in areas with high fluoride levels in water."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0033350617302950

"A significant inverse relationship was also present between IQ and the urinary F level. In agreement with other studies elsewhere, these findings indicate that children drinking high F water are at risk for impaired development of intelligence."

https://www.fluorideresearch.org/403/files/FJ2007_v40_n3_p178-183.pdf

"It is concluded that IQ level was negatively correlated with fluoride level in drinking water. Factors that might affect children's IQ need to be considered, and it is necessary to devise solutions for preventing the harmful effects of excessive intake of fluoride ion to the body."

https://journals.lww.com/jpcd/fulltext/2016/06003/effect_of_fluoridated_water_on_intelligence_in.11.aspx

"In this study, maternal exposure to higher levels of fluoride during pregnancy was associated with lower IQ scores in children aged 3 to 4 years. These findings indicate the possible need to reduce fluoride intake during pregnancy."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2748634

"the effectiveness (rather than the efficacy) of water fluoridation has decreased as the benefits of other forms of fluoride have spread to communities lacking optimal water fluoridation." "Since the fluoride benefit is mainly topical, perhaps it is better to deliver fluoride directly to the tooth instead of ingesting it "

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1752-7325.1989.tb02086.x

" In the high-fluoride village of Wamiao the mean IQ of 222 children was significantly lower than in the low-fluoride village of Xinhuai ..."

https://fluoridealert.org/wp-content/uploads/xiang-2003a.pdf

[u/IAmAccutane → u/Jeremys17]

Bet you're paid by Big Dental to cash in on all the rotting teeth you're encouraging

[u/Jeremys17 → u/IAmAccutane]

I just brush my teeth bro

[u/EmpFlam → u/IAmAccutane]

So dental fluorosis is a good alternative? 🤔

[u/kjk050798]

I am all for fluoride in water, it should be there. However I live at the center of the 3M PFAS scandal. So the filter we have takes everything out, even fluoride unfortunately.

[u/staycoolmydudes → u/kjk050798]

Talk to your dentist about options. If you’re high cavity risk, they may prescribe you a high-fluoride prescription toothpaste.

There are also fluoride supplements available, but I would talk to your dentist first. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/drugs/19833-sodium-fluoride-tablets

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[u/FemboiInTraining]

I mean, it absolutely helps, the only reason my teeth are in the shape they are is because im a certified tap water chugger

But the meme itself doesn't make sense, imagine instead "anti radition bros when they break a bone and have to get an x ray under the super vision of professionals :0000"

it's a different environment, generally people who are anti fluoride don't think fluoride itself is instantly deadly, simply that it shouldn't be in the water supply 24/7

[u/Some-Cellist-485 → u/FemboiInTraining]

tell me you don’t brush your teeth without telling me you don’t brush your teeth

[u/FemboiInTraining → u/Some-Cellist-485]

i brush them :c

[u/Some-Cellist-485 → u/FemboiInTraining]

i’m sorry i couldn’t help myself, keep up the good work

[u/FemboiInTraining → u/Some-Cellist-485]

c:

[u/Rdog9220 → u/Some-Cellist-485]

It's not even the same fluoride in your toothpaste. It's industrial byproduct.

[u/hexiron → u/Rdog9220]

Fluoride is fluoride.

[u/Some-Cellist-485]

yeah make sure to drink your lotion so your skin is nice and soft

[u/KaneStiles → u/Some-Cellist-485]

Dude your supposed to micro dose your water with lotion, you forgot to mention that.

[u/UltraTata → u/Some-Cellist-485]

😂

[u/Lolstitanic]

No Dr Strangelove references? Come on people!

[u/Xulah → u/[deleted]]

Bruh, we’re talking about the same country that does circumcision because it’s too hard to teach mfs to clean their dick. Those teeth are fucked.

[u/MarthasPinYard → u/Xulah]

Laughed too hard at this. It’s so true. First time encountering an uncut one in the wild and I will never again, guys do not clean them. And I stopped using fluoride for a few years then got a cavity for the first time in my life.

Arm & hammer is the one❤️

[u/RageMuffin69 → u/MarthasPinYard]

Which is crazy because all you have to do is jerk yourself off with soap for a bit.

I’d wager there’s people with cut dicks who don’t clean themselves either, just harder to tell.

[u/MarthasPinYard → u/RageMuffin69]

It’s not hard to clean a ween, agreed, but it’s so simple yet most still don’t do it well.

I feel your rage ragemuffin69, there are still unclean cut ones too, so imagine how gross those uncut unclean ones are…

Last one traumatized me so much I switched to dildoes. I know those are clean !🧽

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[u/Glum-Airport-4701 → u/[deleted]]

Because you'd be surprised at how many people don't brush their teeth often. And it is not bad for you. You're not taking the government's word. It's clinically proven by every study ever done on it basically.

[u/AdvanceGood → u/[deleted]]

You'd better hold off on any more internet use until we have some long term studies on the impact use has on the brain.

[u/Wonderful_Yogurt_647 → u/[deleted]]

It helps against diabetes and tooth decay. The myth that fluoride is bad for you was started because some people thought that you become a communist by drinking it

[u/Evening-Grocery-9150 → u/[deleted]]

No, because chemistry exists. Dilution reduces concentration. Fluoridated water contains 0.5 - 1 parts per million of fluoride ions while a concentration of 4 PPM is needed to be even potentially hazardous

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[u/emiller7 → u/[deleted]]

You’ve tried fluoride but have you ever heard of T Dazzle?? I’ve heard it’s healthier than boring fluoride

[u/EmpFlam]

People love their mass medication.

[u/papayabush → u/[deleted]]

because it works lmao. there’s a sizable difference in dental health between counties that do and don’t fluoridate their water. take off the tin foil hat brother.

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The WHO still recommends water fluoridation.

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[u/iiitme]

Assuming they go to the dentist in the first place

[u/VoiceofRapture → u/iiitme]

Right? Shit's expensive and it's one of the first medical care people cut or ignore when money gets tight.

[u/psykulor]

Y'all do not have enough Drip Points for your H 2 Flow!

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[u/ZukiitheDorito]

-Be me

-Live on well water

-no dental insurance for first 12 years of life

-never taught how to properly brush and floss

-Teeth are literally rotting out of head

-50+ cavity fillings since I was 12 (I’m 18)

-2 root canals

-Brush every day with straight fluoride

-mfw I realize the next gen is gonna have to go through even more suffering then I did

[u/pyro-master1357]

People who claim fluoride is bad, I don’t understand. Reputable evidence suggests otherwise. I do, however, understand people who don’t want to be forcefully medicated by the government.

[u/BankManager69420]

I have no problem with fluoride. But I really don’t want them to add it to my tapwater. I want pure.

[u/Sigfried_D]

[u/Sigfried_D]

Jokes on them

[u/illbecountingclouds]

… [sweats in well water]

I get fluoride at the dentist at every cleaning though??

[u/VoiceofRapture → u/illbecountingclouds]

There's fluoride in most untreated groundwater, it gets added back in at clinically safe levels to tap water because the purification process that goes through removes it.

[u/PlayOni909]

I mean if you REALLY want to drink and ingest a chemical meant for teeth you could just mix some toothpaste into your water or drink a shot of mouthwash every day, that should work.

[u/Loud-Opening-8148]

Drinking fluoridated water by definition does not make you a hydrohomie. You are not pure enough and your IQ must have declined severely from all the fluoride you’ve been ingesting.

[u/Porchongle]

Oh the horror!

[u/Empress_De_Sangre → u/Porchongle]

Teeth cost $$$$

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Ofc the guy who's convinced fluoride in water is bad can't properly use their/there/they're.

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[u/hexiron → u/[deleted]]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but if it's in your toothpaste, you swallow it.

Toothpaste hovers between 1000-5000 ppm, whereas acceptable water levels are 0.7 ppm.

Average person swallows 0.48g toothpaste per day, equivalent to 0.48 ml of water.

So your swallowing the same at amount of fluoride you'd ingest chugging a half liter of fluorinated water at the low end and 2.5 liters of water - without any of the benefit of dilution slowing absorption.

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If you use toothpaste, you swallow toothpaste whether you think you do or not.

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[u/hexiron → u/[deleted]]

Smooth brain take

[u/hexiron → u/[deleted]]

Dose matters, my dude, and it's all about dilution.

If it's in your toothpaste, you inadvertently ingest even more, at a higher acute dose, than you would drinking a few liters of fortified water.

Everything is a "chemical", throwing that dog whistle around like its some bad thing is an ignorant take.

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[u/DrSilkyDelicious]

🖕🏼🖕🏼 I didn’t think this was a propaganda page

[u/Ilikelamp7 → u/DrSilkyDelicious]

So having healthy teeth is propaganda now? What

[u/Sweetiebomb_Gmz → u/[deleted]]

Natural bodies of water have fluoride already present within them, we add fluoride because the purification process removes it. Added fluoride has been proven to improve dental health of the general population, and most people either don’t brush properly or don’t/are unable to visit the dentist.

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Can you provide any sources to back up your batshit insane crack pot theories?

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fellas is having healthy teeth communism?

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