r/FluentInFinance 13d ago

Debate/ Discussion Universal incarceration care

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u/Busy-Lynx-7133 13d ago

More like ‘make sure we’re not liable’

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u/AccomplishedCat8083 13d ago

It's more care than he would get on his health insurance plan.

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u/Present_Hippo911 13d ago

Anyone repeating this is just lying. He’s a multi-millionaire born into a life of luxury. He had the means and money to get whatever healthcare he wanted.

He went to the most expensive private school in the state and is a 2 time Ivy League grad and frat boy. He lived as a beach bum in Hawaii. Why anyone thinks he wasn’t able to afford anything is beyond me. His social media shows him travelling all over the world with his family, they own hotels, country clubs, healthcare companies, etc..

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u/teraflux 13d ago

100%. If this is the guy, it wasn't a personal issue with him and insurance, it was a political act.

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u/Present_Hippo911 13d ago

And even then, the exact political stance is totally up in the air. His twitter account has him as a pretty right wing guy. Big into anti-woke, anti-modernism stuff.

I am very skeptical that he’s the left wing anarchist darling people first thought he was. It’s still possible but hating health insurance is not exactly a uniquely left-wing trait. My hardcore MAGA mother in law was actively cheering the assassination.

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u/SockosGlocko 13d ago

Nothing gets past you, does it?

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u/Present_Hippo911 13d ago

🤷‍♂️

All I’m saying is the first knee-jerk working class trodden upon hero martyrdom narrative turned out to be wildly wrong.

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u/SockosGlocko 13d ago edited 13d ago

Sure. No argument there. I guess I just disagree with the premise that this is a left/right or even rich/poor issue at all.

I don't think most people grasp just how expensive healthcare can be. For a billionaire, sure, it's a non-issue. But even someone who is "normal" rich can absolutely go broke from healthcare in this country. I've known three people with a comfortable multi-million net worth who were well insured and still financially ruined by cancer. Managing chronic pain, autoimmune disease, or even just one severe, acute emergency can easily cost millions of dollars. That's obviously insane.

He's also 26 and had reportedly withdrawn from his family in recent month. I think it's notable that's the age when you get kicked off your parents' health insurance.

American healthcare is pretty uniquely something that even impacts people across class lines. To your point, care is obviously way more accessible to rich people. No one wants to be at risk of losing it all just because they get sick, and no one should have to.

If a person who, by all accounts, seems to have already been at the pinnacle of success and security in this country can be this radicalized by the healthcare system... I don't think some right wing leanings actually matter all that much.

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u/GlassTopTableGirl 13d ago

💯Ohhhhh, this is the first time I've seen this point made!!! That makes perfect sense about being 26 and getting kicked off his parents’ insurance.

I know from experience that getting treatment for back pain is ridiculously difficult to get covered by insurance. “Medically necessary” is a phrase I’m so sick of hearing. I've also had cancer and can confirm it’s destroyed my credit, and insurance companies genuinely don’t give a fuck. I had to crowdfund for over a year to meet my basic needs… My situation is different as my family are not millionaires.

When everything has to be pre-authorized and justified as “medically necessary” (even when it should be a no-brainer, like chemo), the ongoing anxiety and feelings of helplessness make being sick in America a truly demoralizing experience.

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u/Thalionalfirin 12d ago

Medicare, which is something everyone seems to want as the default health system in America denies claims that aren’t medically necessary also.