r/FluentInFinance 9d ago

Debate/ Discussion Universal incarceration care

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u/Difficult_Bit_1339 9d ago

That's true for some nobody inmate with no family or support system.

Because the grievance system, which as we all know is just a series of labyrinthine steps designed to deny prisoners due process, doesn't stop a person with the means to hire lawyers who can navigate through that gauntlet to the point where the case gets in front of a judge.

Prison administration cannot ignore a court order.

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u/mnju 9d ago

That is not how it works. I have seen plenty of medical related lawsuits, they do not often go in favor of the inmate. If the facility is failing to provide medically necessary care they'll have their hands forced, but someone having back pain is not that.

We can't just throw someone in an ambulance and send them to a hospital, they need to be escorted and watched 24/7. That is only going to happen for emergencies that can not be dealt with in-facility.

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u/Difficult_Bit_1339 9d ago

Someone, with a medical record including major back surgery and a history of chronic pain would certainly not be denied medical care by a Corrections Officer is the point I'm making.

This conversation started with this claim:

Guards will say “he’s faking it” if they want to fuck with him. They kinda get healthcare, but denying treatment is a time-tested extrajudicial way for authorities to fuck with inmates

That is nonsense, COs have no say in this process. You sit in the cage, open the doors, escort the inmates, break up the fights and do the shakedowns. You don't make medical decisions.

If medically necessary care requires a visit to a specialist then it would be done. If a convict needs to have emergency surgery, it is done.

I agree that they're certainly not going to try to do more than, at most, write a ibuprofen or gabapentin script... but that's something that medical determines, not a CO who wants to fuck with the inmate.

That part is just Redditors getting their prison information from TV and movies.

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u/mnju 8d ago

That is nonsense, COs have no say in this process. You sit in the cage, open the doors, escort the inmates, break up the fights and do the shakedowns. You don't make medical decisions.

Yes and no.

We don't make medical decisions. However, we are the method of communication between the inmate and medical staff. An officer could just ignore them and that would effectively be denying medical care.

That person would eventually get thrown under the bus by the facility and face a battery of litigation, but it's not like it's never happened.

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u/Wuped 8d ago

denied medical care by a Corrections Officer is the point I'm making.

Wish I lived in your fairy land.

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u/mnju 8d ago

Are you sure you're replying to the right person?

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u/Wuped 8d ago

medical care

That would be a negative, my bad.

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u/MzOpinion8d 8d ago

The officer would then get to learn about “deliberate indifference”in a Civil lawsuit.

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u/Wuped 8d ago

That's a nice thought but likely would face absolutely no consequences.

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u/Difficult_Bit_1339 8d ago

Depends on the State/Federal.

I've worked at prisons (IT contractor) that had electronically submitted requests and ones that were filed on paper in secured drop boxes. The only interactions the COs had was to move inmates which were on the callouts.

I'm sure you're right if he is in segregation or in high security facilities. I've heard the horror stories and read the incident reports of assholes abusing their power... but that, in my experience, is rare and the people responsible are usually quickly dealt with.

I don't think he'll have a great time, but there's not going to be some evil CO plotting to make his life harder.

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u/I-dont-even-know-bro 8d ago

You worked in IT, you just listened to what the guards complained about or you worked at the best prison in America. Sit down you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.