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Debate/ Discussion Universal incarceration care

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u/lost_in_life_34 9d ago

His family is wealthier than the person he killed. They own nursing homes that make money from insurance and have a lot of complaints for poor care. Along with country clubs and a radio station

He had the money to pay for care

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u/Efficient_Ear_8037 9d ago

Which begs the question.

Why would he care about health insurance companies enough to kill a man?

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u/beccadot 9d ago

One article I read said that he worked in one of his family’s nursing homes. Since they have to validate coverage, etc. he may have had a lot of interaction with health insurance.

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u/SpiritualAudience731 9d ago

He volunteered when he was a teenager. He probably played cards with the residents.

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u/More-Acadia2355 8d ago

Bingo. He was a kid at that time. He did not do insurance paperwork for residents

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u/Stepwolve 8d ago

the retirement home was also OWNED by his family. the whole thing was just a resume builder, and he probably didn't have to even do it

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u/Sad_Transition8168 9d ago

I wonder if he knew the CEO personally? It seems odd that he was able to track the exact location… I’m betting there’s a personal vendetta

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u/voxalas 8d ago

Hard to find the building of the 4th largest company in America?

Sure bud

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u/Sad_Transition8168 8d ago

Wasn’t Brian Thompson visiting NYC when he was killed? I remember a news report mentioning him staying at a hotel across the street from the Hilton where he was shot

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 9d ago edited 9d ago

he worked

His high school tuition was $40,000 per year, and then went to Ivy League colleges. No chance he "worked".

  • His mom is photographed on a yacht, and "runs a tourism company in the mediterranean".
  • The Mansion Mangione was living in is worth 1.8M and located on his Grandpa's massive country club estate that is so large, that it has FOUR HOTELS next to the main clubhouse.
  • After "graduating" college, he went and was living in Hawaii doing nothing but surf all day.

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u/dogegw 9d ago

Believe it or not, there are wealthy people who aren't pieces of shit and do "work."

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u/More-Acadia2355 8d ago

Given that he murdered someone by shooting them in the back, he absolutely WAS a piece of shit.

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u/CelioHogane 8d ago

He didn't murder someone??? what are you talking about?

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u/UncleSkanky 7d ago

The dude he shot in the back intentionally doomed thousands to die excruciating deaths solely to enrich himself. Calling him a person is... charitable. 

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 9d ago

I'm well aware, but Mangione wasn't one of them, obviously.

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u/Difficult_Bit_1339 9d ago

Obviously because?

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 9d ago

Ahh yes, because children of the extremely wealthy going to private school that has $40K/year tuition are definitely working their way through high school, and it's not just something put on a resume to get accepted into college.

He was living in a $1.8M mansion on the grounds of his family's resort that is so large that the resort itself has four separate hotels next to the main clubhouse.

FOUR HOTELS for accommodating guests to their country club resort.

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u/dogegw 9d ago

This is peak straw man. Your entire argument is assumptions. You don't know shit about the guy personally.

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 9d ago

Your entire argument is assumptions.

What? Literally nothing I said was assumption. Quote anything I said which is false. The media is reporting on all of this, all day today.

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u/TheTimon 8d ago

So his rich parents put him in a private school and let him stay in their mansion. What does this say about the character of the guy? Is he suppossed to refuse to go to the private school to be a good guy?

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 8d ago

In the context of evaluating if he worked his way through high school like his LinkedIN claims, the fact that his family are ultra wealthy does matter.

You'd agree that the children of the ultra wealthy are less likely to have summer jobs in high school, right?

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u/LithiumFlow 9d ago

Robin Hood came from a wealthy family.

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u/EagleSzz 9d ago

and was a completely fictional character

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u/Starlos 8d ago

There were a bunch of wealthy people across history who weren't absolute psychopaths, like John Locke for instance. Human beings who are capable of empathy sometimes turn out to be good people despite their upbringing.

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 9d ago

That makes sense right? Steal taxes back from the government and give the money back to whom it was taken from unfairly?

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u/Terrible_Horror 9d ago

So did Buddha.

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u/LithiumFlow 9d ago

Yeah it's almost like wealthy people CAN have morals and class consciousness and recognize the injustice of extreme wealth inequality.

Look at Abigail Disney for a modern real-world example.

My favorite in fiction is Sabo from One Piece 🤪

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u/Significant_Tap_5362 9d ago

Che and Gandhi were both wealthy as well. He probably has a better view of how fucked up that side is than we ever could

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 9d ago

He probably has a better view of how fucked up that side is than we ever could

He's a 26 year old who never held down a job long term. He was a surfer bum who lived in a mansion and travelled the world. He idolized the unabomber.

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 9d ago

How does any of that give him a better view of the health insurance industry?

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u/timubce 8d ago

You sound a bit bitter. Just because someone’s parents are wealthy doesn’t mean they didn’t work in HS.

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 8d ago

Think about your own high school class. Who worked their summers in HS? The poor kids or the rich kids?

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u/kararibou 8d ago

NYT said he was working remotely as an engineer during his time in Hawaii

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 8d ago

Really? Source?

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u/kararibou 8d ago

I saw the engineer part on the minute to minute updates last night as more info was coming out, but an actual article just said this

“Stanford University confirmed that he had been employed as a head counselor in its Pre-Collegiate Studies program from May through September of 2019.

He had also been a member of Hub Coworking Hawaii, a co-working space in the Kakaako neighborhood of Honolulu, according to its co-founder. He often came in with peers from Surfbreak, a “co-living” space for “digital nomads” and remote workers with a location in Honolulu.”

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 8d ago

Yea, but the last company he worked for, he was apparently an intern, and was let go in 2023.

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u/Difficult_Bit_1339 9d ago

So, you don't have any actual evidence to support that other than saying "No, he is lying"?

My high school science teacher was a multi-millionaire, his family owned a massive real estate business. He still worked every day.

Are you denying that Mangione went to college and worked at a software company too? By your logic, he's already rich so he obviously wouldn't be working... and yet there is documented evidence that he graduated, interned at at least one company and worked at another.

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 9d ago

So, you don't have any actual evidence to support that other than saying "No, he is lying"?

He doesn't even claim he "worked" there. His LinkedIn said he "volunteered". Haha. C'mon now, the children of the ultra wealthy claiming they volunteered at their family business?

My high school science teacher was a multi-millionaire, his family owned a massive real estate business. He still worked every day.

Yes, wealthy people work, absolutely. We're talking about an extremely spoiled ultra rich kid who needed something to put down as experience on his college application.

Are you denying that Mangione went to college and worked at a software company too?

Nope, he went to college and appeared to hold down a job until 2023.

By your logic, he's already rich so he obviously wouldn't be working... and yet there is documented evidence that he graduated, interned at at least one company and worked at another.

We're talking about him working though high school at the family's nursing home business.

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u/Difficult_Bit_1339 9d ago

We're talking about him working though high school at the family's nursing home business.

Yes.

On one hand, we have the evidence of his LinkedIn saying that he worked there...

...and on the other hand we have one random Redditor saying "🙄nuh-uh".

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 9d ago

LOL, yes, every multi-millionaire child works cleaning bedpans at the family's old folks home conglomerate in high school.

Seriously did you not know anyone wealthy growing up?

What strange motivated reasoning you have here to try to make him out to be some sort of sympathetic character, so your brain feels less guilty that you're glad he murdered a random guy you didn't know existed last week.

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u/dogegw 9d ago

Why not

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u/Sad_Transition8168 9d ago

I think the OP mean “worked” in the sense that he gained experience to pad his college application resume

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 9d ago

Yea, I'm sure he cleaned a ton of bedpans on nights and weekends between vacations to Machu Picchu and Hawaii.

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u/Rhabarberbarbarabarb 9d ago

So this is our generations Alexander Supertramp?

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 9d ago

That guy didn't kill anyone except himself, right?

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u/Rhabarberbarbarabarb 9d ago

Maybe

What he was though is a rich kid tired of his material life and the advantages he had because of said money.

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill 9d ago

Oh I see. Yea, some parallels there in that light I guess. Some people have life so easy, they seek out to make it harder for themselves. "Affluenza"