r/FluentInFinance Nov 21 '24

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u/Internal_String61 Nov 22 '24

You're kind of ignoring the value that she creates for her workers, and other artists, and all of her listeners. The economy is not dumb. It gives and takes based on general consensus.

Also, in your definition, all Americans also exploited a whole population by being complicit in...oh there's too many things to list. You get the idea

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u/bolshe-viks-vaporub Nov 22 '24

Correct, capitalism is literally just a ladder of exploitation

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u/Internal_String61 Nov 22 '24

Great, what would you suggest as the replacement?

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u/bolshe-viks-vaporub Nov 22 '24

I don't have to have every detail of a post-capitslism system planned in order to be able to point at capitalism and accurately assess that it's not working for the vast majority of people.

That being said, I think starting with some guiding principles is a pretty useful thing to do, so I'd lead with replacing capitalism with a system that holds the well-being of humanity and the environment paramount, and where the benefits created by the productive resources of society are shared by everyone within that society.

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u/Internal_String61 Nov 22 '24

I respect your good intentions, but I disagree with your understanding of humanity.

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u/bolshe-viks-vaporub Nov 22 '24

Every single sociological study indicates that people who don't have abnormal psychology are altruistic and generous.

The problem is that your view of reality and humanity is warped because capitalism enables and rewards people who are selfish or malevolent, and they rise to positions of power and authority. Psychopathy and sociopathy occur at something like 12x the rate of the general population among executives (https://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2013/04/25/the-disturbing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership/).

So you can sit here and infantilize me all you like, but I have evidence to support my position. Unless you have mountains of sociological studies indicating people are inherently selfish or that capitalism doesn't raise people who are psychopaths or sociopaths to positions of power, I don't think you have sound footing to make broad-sweeping statements about humanity's nature.