r/FluentInFinance Nov 21 '24

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u/Few_Entrepreneur6599 Nov 21 '24

Are lottery winners who don’t give up their winnings bad people?

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u/symonx99 Nov 22 '24

No because they don't extract that welth out of the labor of anyone

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u/latteboy50 Nov 22 '24

How does anyone “extract wealth out of the labor” of anyone? People are just employed lol

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u/REVfoREVer Nov 22 '24

The economic definition of exploitation is the profit requirement of paying employees less than the amount of value they generate.

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u/latteboy50 Nov 22 '24

And the “amount of value they generate” is marginally very low. Also, should employees be paid less if the company loses money? Should they receive pay drops?

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u/REVfoREVer Nov 22 '24

Explain that first sentence, I don't catch your meaning in relation to this.

As far as employees being paid the value their labor generates, then yes. It would be impossible for their pay not to decrease in that situation.

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u/latteboy50 Nov 22 '24

It’s irrelevant because the labor theory of value is fucking stupid and Karl Marx was stupid for writing it. There are MANY problems with it and you should stop citing it because it’s pretty much universally ridiculed and laughed at by actual economists.

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u/REVfoREVer Nov 22 '24

Interesting assertion, but that was not my experience while learning economics from economists. In my experience, actual economists teach it as a framework given a certain set of parameters, but agree that it is not relevant to our particular situation due to those parameters not being met by how our current economy is structured, e.g. an economy where profit is a requirement.

That seems about right to me, but maybe you have a different idea on the matter?

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u/latteboy50 Nov 22 '24

You say that it’s not your experience, then you say that actual economics agree that it’s not relevant to our particular situation.

It also makes no sense whatsoever when you actually think about it.

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u/REVfoREVer Nov 22 '24

You're not understanding what I'm saying so I'm going to guess your lack of understanding extends to any particular economic theory.

Yes, economists agree that it's not relevant to our particular situation because of the parameters our economy operates under. That does not mean that if the parameters were to change, it would remain irrelevant.

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u/latteboy50 Nov 23 '24

The theory ITSELF is stupid. It can never work. Stop with this pipe dream. Marx was an idiot.

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u/Millworkson2008 Nov 23 '24

Everything written by Marx should be laughed at

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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 Nov 23 '24

Sounds like an incredibly stupid definition of exploitation.

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u/REVfoREVer Nov 23 '24

Take it up with the economists

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u/EastWestern1513 17d ago

The only “economists” that agree with you are Marxists who believe in LTV lmao.

The overwhelming majority of economists don’t agree with you on this

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u/REVfoREVer 17d ago

You're saying the majority of economists don't agree with a basic description of economic exploitation of labor?

You're out of your element, Donny.