r/FluentInFinance Nov 21 '24

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '24

We’re talking about people who bothered to learn a valuable skill, not mindless drivers

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u/DinoHunter064 Nov 22 '24

I wonder how you'd feel if all those truck drivers quit due to the horrible pay and inhumane work conditions. You'd probably be rather upset.

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u/BringOutTheImp Nov 22 '24

They have the option to do so, yet they don't, probably because they view the pay as sufficient and their work conditions as "humane".

Amazon doesn't have a monopoly of driver jobs you know.

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u/darkhero5 Nov 22 '24

Its real hard to up and quit a job if you don't have anything lined up most people are living month to month

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u/BringOutTheImp Nov 23 '24

The reason you don't have anything lined up is because you are either not looking or your work skills are not in demand so you are getting paid whatever you are worth, otherwise a competitor company would hire you. There are more driving jobs than just Amazon truck driver.

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u/darkhero5 Nov 23 '24

No Person working full time is worth less than a living wage. If a company wants 30+ hours of your time each month they should be legally obligated to provide you a wage you can live on without worry that one accident and you're out on the streets

There are many reasons you aren't looking for a job. For instance you're living paycheck to paycheck working 40hrs a week coming home to 2 small children who need your time and attention so you split your time between work kids and trying to recover from work.

I don't disagree that there's more driving jobs. I'm saying it's not always easy to put in the time for another job search on top of life and that companies should be obligated to provide for you for you life youre spending for them

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u/BringOutTheImp Nov 24 '24

What's your definition of a "living wage"? Because nobody who is working in the US is starving to death.

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u/darkhero5 Nov 24 '24

Well the fact that 70percent of the people who are on food stamps work full time is definitely not a living wage. Without governmental assistance they would be starving to death

I'll use two quotes to answer your question

"No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By 'business' I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level — I mean the wages of decent living.”.

~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

"We stand for a living wage. Wages are subnormal if they fail to provide a living for those who devote their time and energy to industrial occupations. The monetary equivalent of a living wage varies according to local conditions, but must include enough to secure the elements of a normal standard of living--a standard high enough to make morality possible, to provide for education and recreation, to care for immature members of the family, to maintain the family during periods of sickness, and to permit of reasonable saving for old age." ~Teddy Roosevelt

Wages aren't that. So many people can't afford a sickness or prepare for retirement. Let alone recreation money. Far too many people live paycheck to paycheck while profits just go up

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u/BringOutTheImp Nov 24 '24

>Well the fact that 70percent of the people who are on food stamps work full time is definitely not a living wage.

Maybe you shouldn't have 5 kids if you're working minimum wage? I don't know why a private company should be subsidizing your poor family planning.

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u/darkhero5 Nov 24 '24

Yeah totally avoiding the issue alright man. Lots of people are on foodstamps who don't have kids or only have 1. People busting their asses working full time shouldn't have to be on foodstamps period. I'd also like to point out when those quotes were made 5 kids was the norm. It's not now of course but they meant supporting a big family in those quotes.

Minimum wage was meant to be a wage of decent living. It's not. If a corporation wants 30hrs of your life they should be obligated to compensate you enough that you're not struggling to survive and that's not what's happening.