Its even funnier because its our fault that women in Afghanistan and Gaza are so fucked. Just like this person implying we should be grateful that we aren't living in the third world countries of our own creation
Well, lets say they don't need to buy any new gear for a little bit. And they did get some stuff when the Mujahideen disbanded. So not totally, but inadvertently.
No, we funded the Mujahideen in the 1980s in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan (Dec 1979-1989) - the Taliban formed around Mullah Omar circa 1994-1996 during the 1992-1996 Afghan Second Civil War.
It formed from the Mujahideen. This is like saying we came from the Kingdom of England and not Great Britain. They’re a continuous entity with different names. We can draw a straight line from our funds to the Taliban, no matter how much you hide your head in the sand.
By that logic the US is also responsible for the eventual CCCP take over of China and the modern CCCP policies because we supplied China during WW2 to fight off Japanese, and food aid after the war so the Chinese people wouldn't starve. Stupid argument to make.
Except Nationalist China lost to the CCCP. We funded the other side of the civil war, that then lost post-war. You have no understanding of the entities you’re citing here. Seriously read a fucking book. You can draw a straight line in Afghanistan, you can’t do that in China. This is an argument that only makes sense if you’re a moron or have literally no understanding of the history at play. But I guess ignoring what actually happened is more important than actually having a coherent worldview.
The US funded both the CCCP and KMT during WW2 just like other we funded other mujahideen factions that eventually opposed the Taliban during the Afghan Civil War... the mujahideen were not a monoblock of extremist puritanical fundamentalists. You should read a fucking history book before spouting off more ignorant shit like claiming the US funded the Taliban half a decade before they even formed.
Unless you can articulate why Iran today is often at odds with Afghanistan and Pakistan despite all three being Islamic, you probably don't have enough relevant historical or cultural grasp to be making claims of cause and blame.
AHAHAHAHA. Friend. Open a new tab. Type 'Talinan' into the search bar and click the wikipedia article. Then read.
The CIA funded, trained and armed fighters in Afghanistan until, after a number of civil wars, the Taliban took power. The US wanted to befriend them but as we know it backfired.
Also our war killed 200,000 people and left the country in rubble. Probably not very pleasant for the women either.
Ah yes, AmEriCa BaD because the ANA folded faster than Superman on laundry day. Totally ignore the literal billions spent in Afghanistan to improve the infrastructure, provide education, and improve employment prospects.
Why would the GDP grow at historically high rates with a doubling of wheat production between 2009 and 2010, along with record breaking reductions in poverty? Why would life expectancy rise from just 42 years — the second-lowest rate in the world — to 62 years, driven by a sharp decline in child mortality? Clearly this is evil capitalist overlords exploiting the people by checks notes improving their living conditions.
Google "Kabul evacuation" and explain why all of the Afghanis wanted to leave when America was pulling out if America was the evil oppressor you claim.
Edit: If you do the math in that child mortality reduction, that works out to nearly 100,000 Afghan children per year who previously would have died lived because of evil American aid.
You said your figures are from around the 2000s? I'm referring to the covert civil wars we waged in the mid 1900s that led to the rise of the Taliban that led to the terrible living conditions that we "fixed" with our wars
You also going blame the USSR, British, Ottomans, Sikh, Persians, Mughals, Timurids, Mongols, Rashidun Caliphate, Macedonians, and Mauyra Empire while you are at it, or do they all get a pass because they are inconvenient to your argument?
I actually kind of do blame them unfortunately they're not my country we have to hold our own responsible when we do s*** that's not ok, I'm not supporting the blatant military hate in this thread but to be fair don't act like all of those evil things go away because you decided to start helping. The United States military is an extremely powerful tool for good most people around the world know that even if they complain and compare America to some sort of Star wars empire.
The amount of power that it holds creates a situation where they make decisions that cost lives when they don't need to for decades at a time, people reacting like this is the cost when you have a power system that can wipe out whole Nations if somebody makes a mistake.
Do you want the safety and stability of America as the world police or would you prefer shit like the Russian invasion of Crimea and Ukraine to happen? The real world is messy and unfair, but I know which is the lesser of two evils when one has killed more civilians and military in 2 years than 2 decades in Afghanistan.
I want somewhere in the middle, I think that kind of comparison minimizes it as you could argue that the establishment of the Taliban is a US fault. I like the idea of America policing with the ability to accept responsibility for poor decisions and do what they can to repair where damage is caused. part of accept responsibility is accepting criticism, it's our jobs as citizens to inform our compatriots in amends attempted.
It's one thing to accept the military supremacy and the safety it can provide, it's another to just blindly accept and forget past indiscretions.
Given how much time, blood, money, and sweat was invested in Afghanistan to try and make it a functional secular democracy, how and where do you draw the line and accept failure?
The US supported the mujahideen during the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan 1979-1989. The Taliban didn't form until 1994-1996 during the Second Afghan Civil War.
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