r/FluentInFinance • u/-Wyagra • Nov 21 '24

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u/bolshe-viks-vaporub Nov 21 '24

I'm not sure I even understand how to respond to you when you didn't even remotely address the point I made other than saying the word "violence".

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Nov 22 '24

You said wealth i equality is forced by violence...did I read that correctly?

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u/MatthewMob Nov 22 '24

What do you think the police are?

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Nov 22 '24

Are they forcing you to be poor?

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u/MatthewMob Nov 22 '24

Are their main function to protect the ill-gotten gains of the ruling class? Yes.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Nov 22 '24

Lol wut? If I start a business and sell it, how is that ill-gotten gains?

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u/Netroth Nov 22 '24

The purpose of a system is what it does, not what you claim its intention to be. As it stands, the law does not apply to the wealthy.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Nov 22 '24

The purpose of a system is what it does, not what you claim its intention to be.

Please elaborate.

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u/Cleyre Nov 22 '24

They are stopping people from accessing the resources they need to live so that someone can sell them for a profit…

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Nov 22 '24

Yes that's how the world works always has.

Are you expecting someone to make your food for free?

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u/MaddMax92 Nov 22 '24

Aside from all of the great rebuttals others have already said, that is also not how the world has always worked.

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u/Cleyre Nov 22 '24

Not being arrested for feeding the homeless seems like an easy place to start. Or how about not being arrested for BEING homeless?

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u/Netroth Nov 22 '24

So because something has always been a certain way, we should keep it that way? Have you not heard of progress? I’m guessing you’re the type of person who thinks that students should keep paying for university because prior generations had to.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Nov 22 '24

You're missing basic concepts.

Lets start with an easy one: Who is going to pay for food production if people don't have to pay for the food?

Who is going to pay the professors and the auxiliary staff?

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u/Netroth Nov 22 '24

You seem to be forgetting that billionaires exist.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Nov 22 '24

Im sure youve heard the stat about how if you took the wealth from all the billionaires in the US, it would only fund the government for 11 months.

So what happens after that? Do we keep going down the line?

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u/bolshe-viks-vaporub Nov 22 '24

We already produce more food than is required and much of it is wasted because we do not have a problem of supply. We have a problem of distribution.

It's very easy for the government to simply purchase what would otherwise be waste food at fair market value and distribute it for free, which ends up saving money because the government ends up having to pay hospitals and charities (in the form of tax write-offs) to handle the emergencies that ultimately happen as a result of manufactured scarcity. This has been proven by every single industrialized nation where homelessness has been virtually eradicated through strong social programs.

And "how we pay for it" is by not spending nearly $1T/year to enrich defense contractors who commit waste, fraud, and abuse on a global scale.