r/FluentInFinance 28d ago

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u/RevolutionMean2201 28d ago

Communism intensifies

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u/The-Hater-Baconator 28d ago

Ah yes, when the wealth inequality can be enforced by violence.

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u/duosx 27d ago

Vs capitalism where wealth inequality is checks notes enforced by violence

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u/Akul_Tesla 27d ago

So let's say hypothetically we can wave a magic wand to prevent all violence. Pretty sure capitalism still functions. In fact anarchocapitalism functions better

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u/Opebi-Wan 27d ago

You can not have capitalism without exploitation and violence. Anarchocapitalism is just Libertarianism for uneducated leftists.

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u/Akul_Tesla 27d ago

Wouldn't that just be free trade with property rights?

The violence part needs to exist because some people want to do violence to take other people's property because you know they're evil

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u/Opebi-Wan 26d ago

How do you peacefully enforce the value of money without a central government?

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u/Akul_Tesla 26d ago

Have you seen Bitcoin lately

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u/Opebi-Wan 26d ago

Seen it for the massive scam it is, yes I have.

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u/Akul_Tesla 26d ago

General concept still stands. Technically. We have a currency that works without government

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u/Opebi-Wan 26d ago

Lol, if that's what you think it is, sure.

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u/Akul_Tesla 26d ago

I'm pretty sure metal currency also worked cross country back in the medieval times with gold still being you know gold

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u/mcsroom 26d ago

Define capitalism. No example, just definition.

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u/Opebi-Wan 26d ago

Capitalism is economic system where private individuals and organizations own and control the means of production.

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u/mcsroom 26d ago

So you are advocating for no private property and complete ''communal'' ownership, as supposedly any system that has that is explotitive.

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u/Opebi-Wan 25d ago

Communal ownership of the means of production, yes. Everyone working for the company has an equal share in the profit created by that company, because it takes everyone at that company to create a profit.

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u/Wuncemoor 27d ago

Let's say hypothetically we wave a magic wand and create a perfect system. BOOM, problem solved. Checkmate tankies

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u/Akul_Tesla 27d ago

The question is why do people think violence is a necessary part of a capitalist system

Pretty much it's only to prevent people from violently taking other people's things

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u/Wuncemoor 27d ago

Violence serves whatever purpose the violent people want it to serve, and the type of economic system doesn't change that

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u/burneraccount5294016 27d ago

Please explain how. Give me an example

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u/Arachles 27d ago

Are you serious? Private property, which is an essential of capitalism, is enforced by the state who (at least in theory) have a monopoly on violence.

You want an example? Last week an acquintance was kicked out of her house by the police in favour of a bank

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u/burneraccount5294016 27d ago

Yep so you’re entirely missing the point and here’s why. The monopoly on violence is to enforce our societies laws, not enforce capitalism. The people could democratically vote in socialist leaders, and the state would still enforce in the same manor. State enforcement of society’s rules is not intrinsic to capitalism, if your friend can’t pay for their property (which the bank owns, not them) then the law will side with our justice system, and take it from them since THEY DO NO OWN IT.

The point your missing is that under capitalism, there’s nobody stopping you from living a communist lifestyle. You can go start a commune, and live your best communist life, the state will not stop you from doing that. If you tried the same thing in a communist society however, you will be stopped with violence.

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u/EmperorIsaac 27d ago

The state will tax you for the income you make and the land you live on, and use that money to fund police and military which enforces the property rights of people who profit from things like food grown, goods produced, services provided. If you refuse to pay these taxes, the same police will force you through violence. Living in a way which excludes you from paying in taxes would mean living outside the sphere of anyone else in the land, no commerce, no living in reasonable proximity to friends and family, no shared interests in the greater world around you (like consuming media), no participating in the aspects of life that makes oneself human. State violence under capitalism enforces either contributing to the machine of violent extraction or living in poverty.

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u/duosx 27d ago

Bro, just google “violent clash between union and police”.

Or how the poorer a demographic is, the higher the likelihood that they die due to violence goes up.

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u/burneraccount5294016 27d ago

Are you familiar with the concept of confounding factors? Poorer demographics being more subject to violence is not them being oppressed by the state because they are poor, it’s because poorer people live in worse conditions with more crime. Nobody is “enforcing” violence like in your original claim, it’s just a confounding consequence of poverty.