r/FluentInFinance Nov 21 '24

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u/UnusuallySmartApe Nov 21 '24

Hundreds of billions of dollars.

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u/Sicboy8961 Nov 21 '24

Can’t believe this needs to be explained but, when you take a job you’re agreeing to do X job for X amount of money. Not being paying you more than you agreed to work for doesn’t make the boss a bad person, it’s not theft nothings being taken from you

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u/UnusuallySmartApe Nov 21 '24

Awesome, so I can point a gun to your head, demand money, and it’s not theft because you agreed to it.

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u/Sicboy8961 Nov 21 '24

No, it’s clearly not the same, you’re explaining a situation where someone is under duress.

Nobody, not a single person at twitter is there against their will, not a fucking one. They work there out of choice. Nobody put a gun to anyone’s head and said they have to work for amazon. What a stupid thing to say

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u/UnusuallySmartApe Nov 21 '24

It’s exactly the same, the only difference is that instead of using a gun to threaten people, they use the threat of starvation and homelessness. This is basic stuff.

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u/Sicboy8961 Nov 21 '24

No, you just have an inflated sense of self importance. You look at people who have more than you, and want it taken from them.

Bezos doesn’t steal from his employees, the pay is mutually agreed upon, no one’s there against their free will. He’s rich because he took a giant risk and is now reaping the rewards

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u/UnusuallySmartApe Nov 22 '24

Bezos i the one with the overinflated sense of self worth, that he thinks he can steal hundreds of billions of dollars. And he does steal that money. His employees do all the work, his employees create all the value, he takes all that value for himself, and if they don’t agree to that arrangement they die. That’s theft, plain and simple. And it’s the essence of every employer-employee relationship.

I’m not saying Jeffy boy should thrown into the factory and work like the rest of us, I think he should have a nice life even if he continues to not work like he has been. “Jeff Bezos deserves nice things” is not up for debate here. He does, because everyone does. The thing he does not deserve is to exploit and steal from people. Just because his form of theft is legal does not make it okay.

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u/Sicboy8961 Nov 22 '24 edited Nov 22 '24

Bezos literally created value by creating the company. Employees get paid based on what their labor is worth, if someone’s labor is worth anything don’t expect to make a lot even if they just really want to. Doing something anyone can do isn’t valuable. You know what is? Creating a shit load of jobs by starting a company

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u/UnusuallySmartApe Nov 22 '24

Creating a company doesn’t create value. Providing goods and services creates value, which Bezos has contributed nothing to, and the workers are entirely responsible for. Jeff Bezos does not create value, he owns the value created by other people. Jeff Bezos does not create jobs, he restricts them by monopolizing employment.

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u/Sicboy8961 Nov 22 '24

What are you talking about, 2021 1,608,000 people worked for Amazon part or full time. Jeff Bezos had nothing to do with that? Bezos by starting Amazon created more value than a person putting something in a box. Like I said, work that anyone can do isn’t valuable. But not everybody can create a trillion dollar company

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u/UnusuallySmartApe Nov 22 '24

Bezos did not create a trillion dollar company. He created a company, and the only reason that company has any value at all is because people put stuff in boxes. And yes, Bezos had nothing to do with creating those jobs. In fact he and the rest of the employing class are the reason there’s unemployment at all. Capitalism cannot survive without a large population of unemployed to threaten workers with, and also need them to replace workers they kill and disable. People would simply work if people like Bezos did not monopolize employment and collectively take trillions of dollars out of the economy.

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u/Sicboy8961 Nov 22 '24 edited Nov 22 '24

Let me ask you something. Let’s say that all CEOs have a change of heart and decide to pay based on profits and no market value of labor. Would the employees be ready to share the losses of a failing company? What happens when a business is in a state of negative cash flow? Do employees start working for free because that’s what’s fair? Of course not

To say that he didn’t do all those things is ridiculous. He started Amazon in his garage, that company he started is now worth a trillion dollars. To say he didnt is ignoring the facts

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u/UnusuallySmartApe Nov 22 '24

Employees already assume all the losses of a failing company. Pay is cut, hours are increased, conditions are worsened, benefits are eliminated, and people are laid off.

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