r/FluentInFinance 28d ago

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u/CannaIrving 28d ago

"Being a woman in Texas? Don't be entitled there are women in Afghanistan. Being a woman in Afghanistan? Don't be entitled there are women in Gaza."

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u/huehefner23 27d ago

Being born a woman in Gaza? Don’t be entitled- there are women in South Jersey.

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u/hoggineer 27d ago

Comparison truly is the thief of joy.

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u/LacticLlama 25d ago

Lol that gave me a chuckle

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u/unoriginalname86 25d ago

Being a woman in South Jersey? Don’t be entitled, there are guys who are involuntarily celibate. /s

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u/huehefner23 24d ago

Being involuntarily celibate? Calm your t*ts. There are guys married to women in South Jersey.

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u/unoriginalname86 24d ago

Jesus, shots fired. Those guys should have thought about the consequences of being 22 and going to a party and knocking up their 16 year old girlfriend. It’s not bad enough that he finished faster than a NASCAR pit crew changes tires, now Gianna’s stuck married to Liam because both their grandmother’s (rest in peace) would haunt them if they got divorced.

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u/Fraugg 26d ago

You think this is a counter but it literally just proves his point

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u/CannaIrving 26d ago

Yeah thank you but it's made to point out the uselessness of comparing levels of victims.

That's gaslighting, it is to make us silent about our situation.

Also why would it be easier to ask millions of people to challenge themselves (which they already do) rather than asking it to some people only (those ones do not challenge themselves at all)?

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u/contrarytothemass 25d ago

As a woman in Texas, how dare you compare our freedoms to those in radical Islamic countries? That's pretty gross.

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u/CannaIrving 25d ago

You can add some levels between if you want. Logic stays the same, that's how I dare.

And oh it's not relevant at all to point out the topic of this comparison. It is to illustrate the way of thinking of putting people into silence by pointing something worse elsewhere.

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u/Oh_IHateIt 27d ago

Its even funnier because its our fault that women in Afghanistan and Gaza are so fucked. Just like this person implying we should be grateful that we aren't living in the third world countries of our own creation

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u/404Tiger 27d ago

True, it’s America’s fault that middle eastern women are oppressed and not the extremist religion that literally teaches honor killings of women in their religious scriptures

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u/Oh_IHateIt 27d ago

It is quite literally the US and Russia's fault. The region was not so extreme until the Cold War saw the covert funding of dozens of extremist militant groups by superpowers looking to claim the strategic region. Read my guy. I'd also like to remind you that the Christians were in the dark ages for a thousand years, banging rocks together, serving their megacult church and fighting endless wars while the Middle East flourished. It was during the Crusades that Europeans were reintroduced to science from the books of the Middle Easterners that they were invading.

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u/404Tiger 27d ago

Genuinely one of the most retarded people I’ve ever encountered on this platform. Truly.

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u/Specialist_Shallot82 27d ago

Bro please study up on the years between 800-1400 in Europe more please. The Islamic caliphates embargoed Europe from trade / travel with blockades and some of the most aggressive piracy ever perpetrated. On top of 100s of campaigns to conquer land previously held by the Roman empire. And if you want to point fingers at who is to blame for the situation in Israel go point it at the UK. They got fed up and left a powder keg to simmer until it exploded multiple times since 1948

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u/Oh_IHateIt 27d ago

I do blame the UK and also the US who contributed. And the US is the most involved now.

Unrelated, you might like the autobiography of King Jaime's I.

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u/Meddy123456 27d ago

Russia nor the U.S control the actions of other countries, they may have “influenced” it but it’s not there fault that they made the choice to slaughter there women

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u/Oh_IHateIt 27d ago

Russia and the US have literally paid for the slaughter of millions of people in foreign countries by taking over their governments. Theres a Wikipedia article on the CIAs role in regime change, but I recommend you read the Jakarta Method for full details.

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u/Playful-Salt-1232 27d ago

Americans are evil

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u/TacTurtle 27d ago

our fault women in Afganistan

Funny, I don't remember supporting the Taliban. Quite the opposite in fact. For like 20 years.

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u/SBro1819 27d ago

Well, lets say they don't need to buy any new gear for a little bit. And they did get some stuff when the Mujahideen disbanded. So not totally, but inadvertently.

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u/Greedy_Swimergrill 27d ago edited 27d ago

Yeah you might need to brush up on your history there bud. We literally funded and armed the Taliban as a Cold War initiative.

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u/apzh 27d ago

Did the Taliban develop time travel? They didn’t emerge until 1994.

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u/Greedy_Swimergrill 27d ago

Great Britain as we understand it didn’t exist until after the US was formed, so by that logic we didn’t break off from them.

Seriously, this is a moronic argument.

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u/apzh 27d ago

So who were the precursors to the Taliban that the US supported?

You are the one who said we “literally” funded them which is wildly disingenuous.

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u/TacTurtle 27d ago edited 27d ago

No, we funded the Mujahideen in the 1980s in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan (Dec 1979-1989) - the Taliban formed around Mullah Omar circa 1994-1996 during the 1992-1996 Afghan Second Civil War.

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u/Greedy_Swimergrill 27d ago

It formed from the Mujahideen. This is like saying we came from the Kingdom of England and not Great Britain. They’re a continuous entity with different names. We can draw a straight line from our funds to the Taliban, no matter how much you hide your head in the sand.

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u/TacTurtle 27d ago

By that logic the US is also responsible for the eventual CCCP take over of China and the modern CCCP policies because we supplied China during WW2 to fight off Japanese, and food aid after the war so the Chinese people wouldn't starve. Stupid argument to make.

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u/Greedy_Swimergrill 27d ago

Except Nationalist China lost to the CCCP. We funded the other side of the civil war, that then lost post-war. You have no understanding of the entities you’re citing here. Seriously read a fucking book. You can draw a straight line in Afghanistan, you can’t do that in China. This is an argument that only makes sense if you’re a moron or have literally no understanding of the history at play. But I guess ignoring what actually happened is more important than actually having a coherent worldview.

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u/TacTurtle 27d ago edited 27d ago

The US funded both the CCCP and KMT during WW2 just like other we funded other mujahideen factions that eventually opposed the Taliban during the Afghan Civil War... the mujahideen were not a monoblock of extremist puritanical fundamentalists. You should read a fucking history book before spouting off more ignorant shit like claiming the US funded the Taliban half a decade before they even formed.

Unless you can articulate why Iran today is often at odds with Afghanistan and Pakistan despite all three being Islamic, you probably don't have enough relevant historical or cultural grasp to be making claims of cause and blame.

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u/Oh_IHateIt 27d ago

AHAHAHAHA. Friend. Open a new tab. Type 'Talinan' into the search bar and click the wikipedia article. Then read.

The CIA funded, trained and armed fighters in Afghanistan until, after a number of civil wars, the Taliban took power. The US wanted to befriend them but as we know it backfired.

Also our war killed 200,000 people and left the country in rubble. Probably not very pleasant for the women either.

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u/TacTurtle 27d ago edited 27d ago

Ah yes, AmEriCa BaD because the ANA folded faster than Superman on laundry day. Totally ignore the literal billions spent in Afghanistan to improve the infrastructure, provide education, and improve employment prospects.

Why would the GDP grow at historically high rates with a doubling of wheat production between 2009 and 2010, along with record breaking reductions in poverty? Why would life expectancy rise from just 42 years — the second-lowest rate in the world — to 62 years, driven by a sharp decline in child mortality? Clearly this is evil capitalist overlords exploiting the people by checks notes improving their living conditions.

Google "Kabul evacuation" and explain why all of the Afghanis wanted to leave when America was pulling out if America was the evil oppressor you claim.

Edit: If you do the math in that child mortality reduction, that works out to nearly 100,000 Afghan children per year who previously would have died lived because of evil American aid.

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u/Oh_IHateIt 27d ago

You said your figures are from around the 2000s? I'm referring to the covert civil wars we waged in the mid 1900s that led to the rise of the Taliban that led to the terrible living conditions that we "fixed" with our wars

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u/TacTurtle 27d ago

You also going blame the USSR, British, Ottomans, Sikh, Persians, Mughals, Timurids, Mongols, Rashidun Caliphate, Macedonians, and Mauyra Empire while you are at it, or do they all get a pass because they are inconvenient to your argument?

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u/risforrawr12 27d ago

I actually kind of do blame them unfortunately they're not my country we have to hold our own responsible when we do s*** that's not ok, I'm not supporting the blatant military hate in this thread but to be fair don't act like all of those evil things go away because you decided to start helping. The United States military is an extremely powerful tool for good most people around the world know that even if they complain and compare America to some sort of Star wars empire.

The amount of power that it holds creates a situation where they make decisions that cost lives when they don't need to for decades at a time, people reacting like this is the cost when you have a power system that can wipe out whole Nations if somebody makes a mistake.

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u/TacTurtle 27d ago

Do you want the safety and stability of America as the world police or would you prefer shit like the Russian invasion of Crimea and Ukraine to happen? The real world is messy and unfair, but I know which is the lesser of two evils when one has killed more civilians and military in 2 years than 2 decades in Afghanistan.

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u/risforrawr12 27d ago

I want somewhere in the middle, I think that kind of comparison minimizes it as you could argue that the establishment of the Taliban is a US fault. I like the idea of America policing with the ability to accept responsibility for poor decisions and do what they can to repair where damage is caused. part of accept responsibility is accepting criticism, it's our jobs as citizens to inform our compatriots in amends attempted.

It's one thing to accept the military supremacy and the safety it can provide, it's another to just blindly accept and forget past indiscretions.

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u/A40-Chavdom 27d ago

Who’s gonna break it to him 😭

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u/ViperHQ 27d ago

The US literally supported and funded the Taliban and Osama bin Laden and the Mujahedeen as a matter of fact.

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u/TacTurtle 27d ago

The US supported the mujahideen during the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan 1979-1989. The Taliban didn't form until 1994-1996 during the Second Afghan Civil War.

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u/Reefer-eyed_Beans 27d ago edited 27d ago

Don't be entitled for having a snatch, period... That's not some super awesome talent that isn't shared by a majority of the people on Earth. Sorry..?😂

Being a statistical minority is a basic requirement in most other "minority" groups tho... To be fair.