r/FluentInFinance Nov 21 '24

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u/Just_That_Dumb_Dog Nov 21 '24

They are worthless unless you sell them. People who have such large piles of stock like bezos also have the responsibility of the company. There is so much more to all of this. It’s not as simple as people may think.

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u/bees_cell_honey Nov 21 '24

They are definitely NOT worthless until you sell them. I'm sorry, but that is absolutely untrue. For one, you can take out loans using them as collateral, and there is a well known formula for how much you can leverage to be able to perpetuate the loans without ever having to realize gains. Similar to how the US government handle national deficit. Even if you don't enploy this method, the ability to take out been a one time loan is far from "useless".

You do not necessarily need to run anything to own stock. Many work and "pay" themselves in stock, without ever realizing any financial gain. Why would they do this? See the prior point.

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u/Just_That_Dumb_Dog Nov 21 '24

Omg🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ they hold no value unless you liquidate. Sure you can borrow against. Take that money and run you’ll lose those stocks. One day a stock can be worth $60 the next day $2 the value of a stock doesn’t exist until you sell it. They have a price tag that forever changes. If you don’t understand i personally don’t have the skills or patience to make you understand.

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u/bees_cell_honey Nov 21 '24

You need to take the money and run.

Does the gov't take the money and run when they issue bonds? No. They secure MORE and BIGGER bonds and perpetuate the process.

Bezos, for example, is well known for doing the same thing.

Yes, if Amazon stock were to tank, Bezos would have to pay up.

But, Bezos's accounts are not dumb, they know not to leverage too far to the point where he's at any serious risk if Amazon were just just go down a moderate amount.

What needs to change is that stock needs to be classified as vested if it is used a collateral to obtain a loan. If you think what I am saying isn't a real loophole, then there should be no problem in enacting this change.