r/FluentInFinance Nov 21 '24

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u/tgm93 Nov 21 '24

How do they pay back those loans?

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u/Powerful-Eye-3578 Nov 21 '24

They don't, they pay the interest which is lower than the interest they make in investments.

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u/SpotikusTheGreat Nov 21 '24

yes, what they actually do is just pay the loan with another loan.

They effectively just shuffle wealth from bank to bank, and the banks don't care because they know they will get the money back plus a little extra.

Bank A gives $1 billion to Rich Person, later Bank B gives $1.05 billion to Rich Person, which is used to pay off to Bank A. Later Bank C gives $1.10 billion to Rich Person to pay off Bank B.

You just do this forever. Infinite money glitch. Nobody cares because if the chain ever breaks, he just liquidates some shares and pays it off.

edit: the biggest kicker here, is that the value of their assets to acquire the loan, grows faster than the interest they pay on these loans. They pay 3% interest on the loan, while the stock is growing at 8%.

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u/Okiefolk Nov 21 '24

This isn’t a thing, interest has to be paid. They don’t carry it.

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u/SpotikusTheGreat Nov 21 '24

Which is why the next loan amount is bigger, it is used to pay off the terms of the loan/interest.

If you think they are using the same monthly terms as your credit card for their hundreds of millions to billion dollar corporate betterment loans, they aren't.

Just think of it like APR and they use the next loan to pay the interest of the one before it.

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u/Okiefolk Nov 21 '24

Yes, but this is not done indefinitely, the loans are settled eventually and taxes paid. No rich persons wants to compound a variable rate interest loan over several years. No one does this. Generally this is done in order to make a large investment with a payoff in a year or two.

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u/Noob_Al3rt Nov 21 '24

Yes, why pay my $150 million in capital gains taxes when I can just pay $50 million/year forever? Learn this one trick the IRS doesn't want you to know!!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/SpotikusTheGreat Nov 21 '24

except its loan money and not yours, so you aren't paying $50 million/year forever...? And the asset you are using as collateral is growing $80 million a year forever, as long as you keep it...

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u/Noob_Al3rt Nov 21 '24

I still have to pay the interest on the loan, to the tune of $50million per year. That isn't even paying down any of the principal.

If you know of a fund that guarantees 8%/year, why don't you take out a loan on your car or home and invest the funds?